Navy SEAL Veteran Taylor Cavanaugh: Why 99% Quit When It Gets Hard

What does a Navy SEAL, French Foreign Legionnaire, recovering addict, and high performance coach all have in common? In this episode, they are all the same man Taylor Cavanaugh, and his story will permanently rewire how you think about discipline, failure, and the life you are settling for right now.

This is not a highlight reel. This is the raw, unfiltered truth about what it takes to rebuild your life from absolute zero. Taylor went from being kicked out of multiple military branches to becoming one of 13 men who completed SEAL training out of over 400. He went from a fentanyl addiction and homelessness in Hawaii, sitting in a car with a shotgun, to building a thriving coaching business from a French Foreign Legion barracks room. He has earned the right to tell you what discipline really means.

In this episode, Shawn and Taylor tear apart the comfortable lies most people tell themselves and replace them with a brutally honest, actionable blueprint for transformation. You will learn why being disciplined-ish is more dangerous than not trying at all, why your rock bottom is actually your greatest asset, and why the people giving you advice have probably never done what you are trying to do. They also go deep on the one morning habit that has become a non-negotiable for both men, how to replace bad habits without leaving a dangerous void, and why radical ownership means owning every mistake as your own fault and is the most empowering decision you will ever make.

If you are sitting in a hard place right now and wondering whether things can actually change, this episode is your answer.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

You wake up every morning, hit snooze, scroll your social media, and today is the day you're telling yourself, I'm gonna get serious. I'm not gonna do this anymore.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

If you keep doing the same shit, nothing changes. The inputs have to become different.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

My guest Taylor Kavanaugh was a Navy SEAL and a member of the French Foreign Legion. I lost my mission, lost the focus. Two of the most elite fighting forces on the planet, and even he hit rock bottom as a drug addict.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

Adderall, Zanax, weed, every day. Who absolutely lost everything. I find myself homeless in my car. So what's your excuse? People get comfortable in their own agony.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Because if a man who has been the hell and backed can rebuild himself through pure discipline and consistency, learning how to manage fear, using it as a catalyst and not an anchor.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

The only thing standing between you and the life you want, nobody rides off into the sunset sniffing fentanyl.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Is the story you keep telling yourself. This episode is gonna make you extremely uncomfortable, and that's exactly why you need to hear it. Today I've had I've had you on the podcast before. Crazy story. But now we're in Texas. Crazy background. Now we're now we're in Texas, not California. Yep. And so you're definitely one of the people that I look to when I think of like mindset and discipline and accountability. And so today I wanted to get like super deep dive and all that stuff. But for people didn't listen to the first podcast, give like a high level of your story and your in your background and and what you know from when you started to where you are today, and then we'll get into the rest of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

A little bit of a checkered background growing up, but you know, good parents that love me. So I always had that good, but they had their problems with finances and other things, right? So a little tension, but sports, movement. My dad, bodybuilder, my mom was an aerobics constructor, so I always was raised around that physical movement. Checkered, passed through high school, kicked out of school, some other things. I end up going to jail, getting my life somewhat together for periods of time, but I would self-sabotage. Finally made it through college after dealing drugs and had a lot of trouble getting into the United States military. I wanted to be a SEAL from a very young age, seven years old, really. And I get turned down by every branch, Army, Marine Corps. They're like, no, too many tattoos, criminal background, this and that. Now, mind you, I didn't have crazy feelings.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Does the Army turn you around down for tattoos, really?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

They turned me down for criminal background. Marines turned me down for I was getting turned down for all these different reasons. They're like, dude.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

But is that a real thing? Like if you have too many tattoos, you'll turn down.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

So what so it depends what what's going on, right? What the geopolitical situation is. But at this time, it was 09, they sent they took a picture of my body and they sent it up to some colonel or some brass and it came back, and he's like, you know, too much too much of a percentage of your body's tattooed. Now, I knew guys who had been in the invasion, initial invasion, and then get out got out with awards. One of them had a silver star and had like a tattoo here that he got in the Marine Corps, tried to get back in, and they said no.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

No way.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

It's very bizarre. So decorated Marines. It's a shame, really. But that was due to its uniformity, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:12

But you wear long sleeves most of the time, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

No, well, they'll have short sleeve. They just Marines specifically, they want the uniformity, they didn't want that individualistic type. The Navy was a little bit looser, which proved out so I wanted to be a SEAL, but I was scared, man. The truth was I was really terrified about failing and ending up on a boat. It's not what I wanted. I wanted to deploy and have a get a rifle. So I had tried the army and the marines first. And I hate running, so I running's not my thing. But got the right talk to the right guys. The Navy gave me a shot. And this was the part about like that tenacity and that grid about he's like, dude, you're gonna have a hard time getting waivers and stuff, and or even getting a SEAL contract because it's not right out the gate. I said, All right, what do I got to do? And he's like, You got to take all these screening tests, and and I go, Who makes the decisions? They're like this this retired lieutenant commander, and I go, and I called him. I've I got his cell phone number and I called them and I said, Okay, where do I go? What do I where he said, here's what we do. And I showed up every day. I was puking every day. I lost 40 pounds in like six weeks. Like I really, and that took me a stacking boxes at Home Depot and just doing what I had to do to just train and work. And I got a SEAL contract shipped, went through training, was really fortunate that I had prepared, but also fortunate I didn't get hurt or fail anything. And I went all the way through, was one of 13 originals out of 400 guys.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

I was about to say, what's the percentage failure rate?

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Uh a lot. So they accept like how many is like one class, I guess, coming in, or how you start say, say you got a group of about a thousand guys, and this is in from boot camp all the way through Bud's prep in Chicago, and then you'll ship out from that thousand four hundred guys. You'll you'll fly out to Coronado, and then you'll class up with two eighty-five. So it kind of that's like the immediate class. Three weeks later, you'll have 185, and then post hell week you'll have about 50.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

And is it all physical and mental? Like what are the other like what are else are they judging you on besides like the hard Hell Week stuff, the physical fitness stuff?

SPEAKER_00 5:19

So teamwork, right? Ability to so some of it's physical, but you'll have guys that'll duck under the boat or or or have character issues or or just not have not be able to. There's so many different layers, and you also something that a lot of people don't know about SEAL training is you have peer evaluations. So every cell, you have the bottom five and the top five. And if they see a guys who are at the bottom five of their peer evals all the time, you're fucking gone. They they they're like, there's something going on here. So there's a lot of that self-policing. And then then after that post-Hell Week time, you're about 48 guys, I think we were. 13 of those guys finished all the way through. Those some of those that 50 ended up becoming SEALs or finishing buds, injuries and stuff. You get rolled back of class, but no injuries all the way through. I go through SQT, which is another seven months of kind of finishing school, combat diving, close quarters combat, land warfare, military free fall, all that type of stuff. Cold weather mountain warfare in Alaska. And then I got picked up for SEAL team seven. So I went to SEAL team seven, multiple deployments there, sniper, JTAC, advent laden specialist, which is like low visibility operations, vetting supplies, uh shit like that. Growing a beard, getting weird, working by yourself. Went through that course. And then out of the SEAL teams, had multiple a little bit of problems in the SEAL teams, kind of in the later of drinking too much, got in a bar fight, just bringing on a little heat from myself or Navy Jag was charged with the multiple felonies on fights and had to go to jail. And top sugar clearance, it's a huge issue. Right. So I'm having a lot, I'm getting my top sugar clearance back, but I'm also getting a lot of early promotes and doing really well on the field. And then the off-the-field stuff, I was causing some issues. Kicked out, had to go back to jail on a violation of probation and some other shit. And then civilian sector for a couple years, cannabis, residential real estate development, some other things. And then this is where the bad habits really started. I lost my mission, lost the focus. People talk about that a lot, but it's exactly what happened. Adderalls annex, weed, just every day while still performing. So now I'm pitching decks for a venture capitalist, raising millions of dollars, doing a lot of shit. So that was the lie I could tell myself is dude, no one could tell me shit. Now I'm in the high rise. I was just kicked out of the SEAL teams, and I'm still doing well. Like, you know, pretty girlfriend, the truck, the house, all that shit.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

I got it under control.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

I got this, man. And and then I stacked on an opiate addiction in that. Then nobody rides off into the sunset sniffing fentanyl. It just doesn't happen, dude. You know, and so then my world came collapsing down. And there's no other way to you can't bend reality by stacking karmic debt and living incorrectly like that and lying to yourself for so long. And I pretty much OD'd and hit my head on a thing, and it just had to get stitched up, and now I'm trying to do it's just so too. Now the chick was mad, the venture capitalist, and he said, dude, you were an asset, now you're my bus biggest liability, right? That was for me somebody that maybe overachieves because I'm insecure from a kid or something.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

I it's a really good way for a boss to put it when you're telling me it's not like you're not performing. That it's just it was a good analogy for him to say that.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Well, it was. He said, You were my biggest asset. I mean, he had brought me in his right-hand man because I and fired everybody else because I was just crushing it. And but I wasn't sleeping. We talked about that. I uh, dude, I was doing I wasn't out partying, I was sniffing fentanyl, and then I'd write emails and shit until three in the morning, and then you know, that's I was doing that every day and uh and then crushing it all day long, you know, taking Adderall and doing different shit. And it's and then I realized I gotta get off this. All right. This is I gotta redirect. And so I changed locations and I'm waiting for the next phone call. He's like, hey, chill out, you know, go on a sabbatical. We have some other business. And so I'm waiting, and now I'm sold my shares in the company. Now the emails kind of start getting shut off, and now I'm kind of getting isolated. Now I have no mission and I'm still trying to work out. I white knuckle got off painkillers, which was brutal, man. Anybody who's gotten off that shit was that was not and that is the devil getting its hooks in you. A few months later, man. Now I find myself homeless in my car, pretty much, where it what I realized I just ran out of money and ran out of a place to stay, thinking that that next thing was gonna come at the 11th hour, that next business opportunity, the next but it didn't. And I realized and I started I got in this suicidal state where I went, dude, I'm just fucking tired, man. You know, and I had the shotgun and the car, and I'm sitting there parked in the jungle near where the volcanoes erupting down on the big island of Hawaii going, dude, I'm just tired. I was a seal. And this was the first moment where everything kind of felt on top. And so I decided to change that that wasn't the direction I wanted to go, and I've joined the French Foreign Legion, man, and fucking went to France for half a decade and reset my life. And then now here I am.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

What'd you do after you what was the first job you had after you left the French Foreign Legion? Like how how was the transition back to?

SPEAKER_00 10:45

I started coaching from a barracks room. So, dude, I was doing $40,000 months from a barracks room, which was when you first got on social media. Yeah. And so I started building it. I thought, was in a hospital, a French hospital, actually. And they were looking at my calf, and I go, dude, I think I might post. And so I'm four years deep in in the Foreign Legion at this point. I had been off the grid. Nobody even knew I was there except my mom and maybe a couple team guys that I knew.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

I was about to say, what made you want to get on? Like it's like today I'm gonna start posting on this.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Dude, I just I felt like I I felt so isolated for so long. And I kind of and I, and here was the truth. Dude, I was suicidal in my car a handful of years before, and now I was having great days every day. And I felt like I wanted to share my story and get connect back with the world a little bit and share what I learned and and what was working for me, and maybe it was gonna help somebody else. And also it was gonna help my process and kind of reflect and and kind of consolidate and package what I had experienced for myself. So I started that and I posted my first picture and it, I was scared, man, to get online. I just didn't want to, I didn't want to share, and I didn't know what I was gonna get back or I things from my past. I was just really concerned about opening that maybe I should just stay in the darkness and go down the mercenary road, which was was probably what I was gonna do. So I didn't have a direct angle, like this is what I want to do as far as coaching and mentorship. But it opened up that world and I got a lot of feedback from guys that was like, hey dude, I love that story, bro. What are you doing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what's going on?

SPEAKER_01 12:27

What did you transition in? Did you go straight into coaching after you got out of the foreign legion?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Yeah, I I hit it lockstep, and so I just started blueprinting and doing the same thing about this, you know, one-on-one zooms and structuring meals, and just giving guys some outside perspective, honest feedback, real honest, where there was no no facade, no filter, and guys were getting a lot of momentum and a lot of success, man. And I was like, okay, this is what I want to do. And I when I touched down back in the United States, I changed nothing. I mean, I was it there was no gap. I was back in the United States, immediately was doing the same thing from what I was doing in the barracks room. Now I had more time to actually allot to it, which was super helpful. Now I could travel to do podcasts and do different things, and it was all local.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

I think when people hear your story, they think that like he's this way because of all this stuff that happened and has discipline and has like the mindset and and focus. Do you think that that is something that somebody can learn along the way, or do you think they have to go through all this stuff to no?

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Because, dude, I wasn't disciplined as a kid as growing up. I wasn't taught discipline at all. I had no, so I know it's and I wasn't that way necessarily. What I did always have was have a desire to be good at stuff.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

I did too.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Like, and I and even as a kid, I I would get on my bike when I didn't have a license or something, and I'd ride uphill way up this big ass hill into an industrial park and go to the gym. But I was raised around that, you know, and so I knew I wanted to be strong and do good at school and be, but I I really didn't couldn't wrap my hands around the fact that you like discipline required like another level of commitment. I would be disciplined-ish, which I think is actually really dangerous. It's when people are disciplined-ish because they're that's where you can lie to yourself. It's the guy that goes, uh, and this is what I would do. I'd go, I'm going to the gym, but I'm in the gym sipping on vodka. You know, like I'm I'm in the gym every day. You know, I'm way more disciplined. I'm looking better than most, but I'm sipping on fucking vodka on the bench press. Where are you? Yeah, dude. It would have it in a like a shaker and it would have not like straight, but I would mix it with a little watermelon juice. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm hydrating. You know, like it was it's five o'clock here at post work, and I'm like, this is how I relax. And I got you, yeah. That was kind of like how I would, I wouldn't be like early in the morning. Yeah, yeah. And that's the next, see, that's still the lies. Dude, I'm not drinking in the fucking morning, yeah, like some alcoholic. I'm drinking in the evening like a classy motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

And the same thing with the drugs, right? You're still have this high-performing job, you're making money, and you're like, I can do it all.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Yeah, dude. And this is yeah, you can do it all until you can't. And that's the that's the problem, is I I'm no longer interested in things that aren't sustainable. Businesses, family, relationships, my body. I'm not like interesting. What's the point of doing it if it's like feast and famine? You'll see guys do, you know, super gnarly on their fitness for a long time and then fall off. You see this with fighters and pro athletes and stuff. They go so hard that they're just like, dude, I don't want to do anything. I'd rather click into a better pace of like a marathon pace and then uh not a track meet.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Why do you think the majority of people quit whenever something gets difficult or hard? Like the average, the average person out there.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

They haven't made a commitment about actually who they want to be. A lot of people commit think about what they want to do and the results they want, but not who they want to be. And that is what is required for a super sustainable pace. Is I'm not trying to do it for the results. We're doing it for frequency management, and I'm doing it just because that's who I am. I'm just a person that gets up and is mindful about his mornings and intentional about the way he communicates and the way I eat. Not perfect, right? Not perfection, consistent correction.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

That's it. I think that's what happens to a lot of people is whenever it it gets hard or they mess up one day, they're like, oh, screw it up. I think if you're consistent, if you can do something long enough to be can or be consistent enough and do it long enough, you will eventually get really good, right? No matter what you're doing, or you eventually be that disciplined person that you see other people that that are, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Well, here's the thing, Sean, and this is exactly like any military pipeline I've been in. There's guys that came through that were Olympians, triathletes, way better athletes than me or other guys that had passed. But they hadn't the beautiful thing about failing a lot is you have experience fail with failure. And guys would experience that they'll fail a swim or something for a triathlete who's always been fucking number one or a tr or Olympian, and they'll go, fucking well, this is obviously proof. Dude, I've failed it and a ton of stuff. That's just another thing. And I'm like, well, and this is the same probably with you in business, or guys who are entrepreneurs who are maybe have things have been easy. And that I think is the the root of it is things haven't been easy for me in my life in in a lot of capacities. So I'm used to it. I'm used to shit being challenging. And so when those challenges and those failures, or whether they're self-induced or not, I'm okay with it. Because I just understand it's just okay, this is a challenge that I'll have to work through, whether it be my own personal choices or life in general.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

And you can learn, use it as a learning experience. I think people, if they reframe failure in every single time, because not all failure is like catastrophic failure, right? You fail almost every week, probably at some point. Oh, yeah. And if you can reframe that and say, like, how did I learn? Like, what can I learn? How can I pivot? How can I do a little how can I do this a little bit better? Yep. I think that always helped me. Um actually, whenever I was younger, whenever I was 19 and I did start having some success and making money, like everything I was doing was working. And so I'm like, I'm a fucking genius. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like everything I do is so easy. Yeah. And I that that changed real fucking quick.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

What changed what what did you experience where you were kind of first?

SPEAKER_01 18:36

I did too much and I got in a situation where I had a lot of projects out and a lot of money out, and then uh 2008 happened, and like, you know, you couldn't sell anything. And so again, like I was also spreading myself too thin because I'm like, I can do anything. And I was saying yes to everything, and I was just more projects, more business, more of this, like taking on everything. And so when I almost failed, like that first one or a big one, first big one. Um then I'm like, okay, I'm not that smart. That was just everything was just kind of right place, right time. I mean, I was executing, right? That's what I was always good at. But I need to make sure that I'm learning from failure. I'm I'm doing better each time that I learn something. And and be something being hard was the first time where um it made me reframe my mind. Because when it was all easy, I I probably would have if it would have kept going that way, I could have made a you know huge catastrophic failure and bankruptcy, this and luckily that never happened. Um but I think it was like failing where I didn't like completely have to file bankruptcy, but like really had to figure it out. And it like taught me it's like, okay, you're not a genius, you're not good at everything. Um you need to learn every single experience, every single time you fail. You like you don't know everything. Yeah. Uh so that was that that was a big change in my life for sure.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

How did you navigate that that specifically, that time, that 08?

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Um You know, I don't remember. I didn't have a lot of people to talk to or look up to, and so I didn't really know it was as bad as it was. Yeah. I was just like, I don't think anybody did. No. And um luckily all my houses were pretty cheap at the time. And I had an e-com business that was a little bit um recession proof, so that was doing well. And then I started renting the houses, and then I started realizing it's like, holy shit, like I, you know, I need to get in this long-term game because before that it was all like house flips. Yeah. And once I figured out I could rent houses and like we had 20 people trying to rent the house when I put it on the market, it just changed my mindset. I was like, man, I should get look into the long-term stuff. Yeah. Like, yeah, these flips are good because I can make short-term money, but I need something that's actually gonna pay me forever and build real wealth, right? And so that's when I really started focusing on like long-term rentals, long-term commercial plays, instead of like just trying to flip it and make some cash, right? Which was just a job at the time. Um, and so then it taught me both. Like I had rentals, I kept doing some of the house flips, but I I think not knowing as bad as it was, and I didn't have anybody to ask. So I just kind of, once I found the pivot, I just kept going. Again, just like learn from your failure, get a little bit better, um, and just kept going, man.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

There's a lot of there's a lot of power in that that delusional confidence and that ignorance too. There's a lot of power in that in not knowing just how difficult a situation you actually are in because you're confident in your ability. Looking back, it was also showing up.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, looking back, it was a bad time for just in general in the US. And and you know, again, I got lucky because at the time my business online and I'm early online, like early days. And so uh especially in my industry. And so that business was still doing well, and I was still able I was I mean, I was working eighteen hours a day too.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

What was that e commerce business? What were you saying?

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Uh just vitamin supplements. Yes, um but again, there wasn't Amazon Prime, there wasn't any of this stuff back when I started 2004 or five.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Dude, you got a you got an ability to To kind of see predict where things are going early.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

I've I've kind of that's what I was telling you this morning. Is I do feel like I can think long term because I can do things for a long period of time before it works out. So I'm like, I can I eventually can be good at this. The AI thing is kind of throwing me for a loop a little bit because I'm not a tech guy, but I know how important it is. Yeah. And it's gonna it is changing the world currently, but I don't know long term. I have no clue what's gonna happen. Like I don't know. I know I need to invest in it, which we are. Yeah. Uh I brought on a guy full-time just so I can learn, just so we can start businesses off of that. Um, but I don't know what happens, man. Like, I don't know what happens to industries. I don't know what happens to people's jobs, I don't know what um happens to the real estate market. Like, I I don't know. Uh I I really don't know.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

You brought up a good point though, when we were kind of shooting the shit in the car about robots driving prices down because labor costs will be almost nothing.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Plummet. 24 hours a day.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Which is an interesting positive byproduct that people don't think about. They think about losing jobs, but you also think about the cost of living should come up with the colour. The cost of living has been hockey sticking like crazy for everybody. And now you're like, well, this could be a deflationary input.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

I think it will. And then you have Elon Musk, of course, saying that, right? And he's been pretty much right on everything he's he's predicted for sure. But I think it does go next to nothing because you're the cost of your materials will eventually go down because you have robots making them all, right? And then the cost of labor goes almost next to nothing because and then you have no lawsuits, you have no health care, you have no sick days, you have no like family stuff. Like it it's just it's so much more efficient. And so I I can't predict. I don't know what's gonna happen. I I don't know how fast it'll happen. I know it'll happen fast. I think once you have mass adoption of robots, like where it's you can truly get a robot for your house, yeah, you can clean everything up, you can finance it for a hundred bucks a month. Yeah, I I think that's where it gets like real crazy. That's why like like the hockey stick, right? Like where every single thing is.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

Upgrade your robot to the premium membership so it actually, you know, does well do the rest of your dishes. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't do half of them or yeah, it doesn't talk back to you.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

I think it's actually a good thing. I know people are like all doom and gloom. I think there, of course, anytime something becomes mass adoption, there's 10% bad of everything. Internet, I mean everything. But I think it'll be more good than bad because people will actually start to enjoy to actually be able to enjoy their life more than like doing all the stuff that takes away from yeah, like I mean after we had kids, I'm like, this is fucking hard. I'm like, how do people have five kids? This is a crazy this is so fucking hard. And then how do they come home? How do they cook, clean, wash all their dishes, clean the house, mow like all this shit with the kids, yeah, and go to work all day long. And I'm like, A lot of them don't.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Something falls off the back of the truck.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

I know, but I again I think like the the good part of all this like automation and adoption, I think it's gonna ease people's lives a little bit. Just gonna have to learn how to work with AI to stay relevant for sure.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Yeah, dude, having a kid for me is definitely up the game a little bit. Yeah, yeah. It's it's been it changes the dude. I'm a dude, I like that piece, you know, and sometimes you know you don't get that the same as you know. I was living in barracks rooms in different places for so many, so many years, man. It's just a tough, cold environments, with especially in the Legion with Eastern block guys that are like, for three months I ate mice, you know, dudes like that that are just quiet, cold. And now I got this little munchkin, this beautiful little girl that's you know, throwing Easter eggs around and screaming, and there's like this it adds a chaos that is beautiful, but it's challenging.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Yeah, it's tough, man. How do you, whenever you're having bad days, how do you talk yourself through those bad days how on your worst days?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Dude, usually for me now it's like uh managing fear and uncertainty because I've always been pretty good, and we'll talk about that. It's like who's successful in in life? Well, everyone's dealing with fear, everyone's dealing with uncertainty. And so for me, I try to remember back to successes I've had and and challenging things I've already navigated. So that's helpful having some proof of work, some some anecdotal evidence I'll look back on. And then I also like to stay focused forward and remind myself to get rooted in gratitude. Whenever I get a little too self-focused or too business concerned or whatever, or too concerned about I'm I'm losing gratitude. It's like it's hard to be anxious and grateful at the same time. And that's what I'm finding. And so when I kind of root myself in gratitude and I realize that, dude, I'm batting a thousand for figuring shit out. Still here, right? We're still here. The fact that we're still alive and here, rocking and rolling, that all the times that I've been concerned before, obviously I was I was concerned about for nothing for the most part. And so that's how I I I like to kind of remember look back a little bit, but then look forward and remain present. It's like this this beautiful kind of orchestration of of reminding myself of the current reality I'm in.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yeah, I think for me, it goes back to that failure thing I talked about. It's like every time something bad, like really bad's happening, um, or perceived to me, I'm like, I've always there's been like something good that came out of it somehow. And it sometimes it takes five years to like even see. I mean, you get through the the tough time, but you're like, man, if that wouldn't have happened, yeah, like three years ago, like these three things wouldn't have happened. And so I've I try to, if if something really bad's happened, I try to remind myself of all those times. And that's kind of what like reframes a little bit. It's like um uh it's something always has been a result of going through a super challenging time, but you just don't see it takes a long time sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

Well, that's if you keep pushing forward in the right. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, and that's the beautiful piece of that is if you don't keep pushing forward and use the time of compression correctly, it will crush you into fucking dust, right? It crushes some people into dust. And but if you maintain that I'm gonna keep pushing that grit, that forward, that forward momentum, even if it's slow as shit. That's so key because it will break. And this is the part they'll teach you in like surf torture and shit, like why people pass SEAL training and why people don't is dude, the best fucking way to do it is to remind yourself it can't last forever. You're like, this can't last forever. It's impossible for them to keep us on the city. Other people have done it, like, yeah, it's it's impossible. Like, we're not gonna be here forever. The instructor's gonna go home at fucking sometime. That's how I would think about it. And so I bring that into my life. Now I'm like, this can't last forever. This like feeling because there'll be shit you can't figure out, too. And I'm sure you've woken up, Sean, with some concern, or you can't even really place it, but you're just kind of a little bit off or or a little bit in a funk. Who cares? It's gonna it's gonna subside, it'll lift. It could be anything, hormonal, it could be, it could be something off in the few. There's so many different things that I go, don't try to figure it out and sit there and ruminate, move, take action, focus on what you can control, and then let it subside. It always does. And that's a that's a huge piece for me.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Yeah, I think too, just making a little bit of progress, like you said, like if if if you are going through like a tough week or month or whatever, um, and everything seems to be falling apart, if you can just like, okay, what do I need to do to make progress today? Just and like make a little bit, and you focus on that, sometimes it'll kind of like start getting you out of there. And then you look back and you're like, shit, I'm I'm good. You finally gotta start having good weeks again.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

At what at you at your level, you know, at the successes you've had, like, do you still have worry, like days of concern? I yeah. Like, do you it m the worries must change though? Like, because you're not worried about keeping the fucking lights on, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

I'm not, but I I do a lot of things I probably shouldn't. Yeah. I take a lot more risks than the majority of people because I would be super bored if I just like oh I'm good, I'll just make money off my rentals and my interests, and like I just wake up and play golf. Like, yeah, that would be terrible to me. And so I take a lot of unnecessary risks because like I'm not saying I'll go all in on stuff anymore, but I go like really heavy on stuff I believe in. And so there still is concern because I'm like because everything gets so big, yeah. And so it's not like a small mistake anymore. It's like, oh, millionaire, millionaire. Like it's yeah, it's still the same and people's lives. It's still the same. Although like I I get too comfortable and I put myself in stupid situations, not stupid, yeah, like it's calculated for me, but days where I'm like, oh shit, am I like, did I make a bad decision? Like, so yeah, I I still so you'll have those moments.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

It's just the the the goalpost has been shifted. Yeah, yeah. I see that.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

I do it to myself. Like I don't have to do that, but I also don't think I'll be happy. And so even though I think it goes back to the whole challenging thing, it's it's if it's super challenging and you get through it and everything's successful, and the people around you are successful, you're like, man, like you just feel yeah, that like you're building something, like you're getting better each week, and you're also I take on more responsibility. So a lot of people around me, I just want to make sure like everybody's successful.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Uh, and so then that like weighs on you a little bit when something takes longer than it should, or like, yeah, just hang in there. I promise, like everything's gonna work out. Yeah, and it's I can see that. And sometimes it does, and and there's a lot of money on the line. So I I think I still am this, I feel the same, I guess. A little bit more than that.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Yeah, the emotion doesn't change.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

I used to be all in in my 20s, like I'd make a couple hundred grand and I'd like it's like I was living off like paycheck to paycheck kind of because I'm investing everything everywhere. That was bad. I also didn't have a family, so I'm like, Yeah, yeah, what's the worst could happen? I can eat off like $30 a week. Like I at the time, yeah. I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, now it's a little different. I'm like, you know, my wife, every once in a while, she knows how risky I am, and she's like, don't just don't like bankrupt us, don't Donald Trump us. And you know, she does super well too. So, you know, like I, you know, worst thing that happened, she'd she'd take care of us. Yeah, yeah. What worse thing happens to be you'll be you'll be living off my wife on the state, stay home death. But no, what she's trying to say is that look, you don't need to like do this stuff, but in my head, I do need to, or I would be fucking bored.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Well, it's also it's not what you do now, it's who you are. Like, like, do you have a number in your head where you'll out? Whoa, that also moves all the time. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, do you have a fixed number? Because if you don't, like, who's the guy that owns Paul Mitchell Longor Longor?

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

They were asking him like why he still works, billionaire, right? And he goes, It's who I am. All the billionaires still work. Yeah, and I go, it's and and that's that, and so it's this it must be that's the route, right? That's that's the equation that that gets you there. It's not the number, it's it's you you are the process that uh achieves the success or the result.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

We have a we have a friend that's a huge uh natural gas trader, and he multi-billion now. Um they're going bigger than ever. Like, yeah, I mean, I I can only I'm sure he would be fine, right? But it's not he's not like all right, I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

He's not not stressed.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

No, yeah. And so just like you see all these other billionaires, they continue to grow their companies, they continue to get sued every day, they continue like labor lawsuits, they're in the news, people are saying they're pieces of shit. Yeah, of course. I d I don't think they'd be happy if they moved to Hawaii and didn't do anything. Yeah, I I just I think their life would have no purpose. Um, again, like people say that I guess money doesn't buy happiness or whatever. Uh you know, a lot of people say that, but their whole purpose is like to build companies to hire people to improve other people's lives or or have a the best product in the world, whatever. Yeah, and and and contribute to society in some way, shape, or form. Yeah. Um, and so I feel the same way. There's not a number anymore, although I do want to get to a billion really bad. Yeah. Not because it's like um again, it's like a made up number, right? Like uh But it's a good, it's a it's a checkpoint.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I it's a pretty incredible like milestone.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Yeah, and um, but I think the bigger thing too is like mine was that whole education piece. I hate traditional education and it failed me, it fails a lot of people I know. Um, all the 26 years of me learning stuff, like zero of it's from school, besides basic reading, writing math. I mean like sixth grade ro level reading, writing math. That's all you need. And so my new mission slash you know, building companies is to somehow disrupt traditional education or you know, make a huge dent or make a huge change in society. I think now with AI, even more important because like they're gonna be so far behind the curve. Like, yeah, it's all it's there is no future where you don't have AI, but yet no school teaches it. So it doesn't make any sense. Well, there it's just so slow and like they're so stuck in their way. This is how we've done it for a hundred years. Well, those kids aren't gonna have a job. Um, the college route is not gonna be the safe route anymore, like it was in the 60s or whatever. You go to school. And so my bigger mission, too, is not necessarily a number, although profit. People are like, Well, you know, you're you're running a for-profit business, why don't you do it for charity or whatever? Profit allows you to build a really big build it bigger, yeah, and and more awareness and more impact and more everything. So, like that doesn't ever make sense to me. Like, we have to make a lot of money because if not, how is somebody gonna find out, you know, about if we have the best product in the world and nobody knew about it, like then you can't reinvest just to build it bigger. I can't hire better people, I can't do anything. And so, yes, the goal is to make it super profitable, but it's also to drive more impact and drive more change, right? Like, because it needs to make a lot of money. So outside of the billion, I would feel not that I would feel super successful if I made a huge dent in like how this education stuff like shaped up, right? I want to make money while I'm doing it, of course, but I I that that would be a huge success. Like that that would be success more successful than the billion at this point. Like, I'm I think when you get to a certain number, you you like like I wasn't we never really bought a bunch of stuff. Like we just my wife's very frugal. Um, you know, I always had a nice house because I was in real estate, and I'm like, I always saw like, oh, I can buy this piece of shit, I can live in it, I can fix it up. I'm living here for free because I'm gonna sell it, make a million dollars. And so I did that for 17 years. So it's like always had a pretty nice house. And the only thing I waste money on is cars, and just because I just really love them. But other than that, we invest everything. We like it it's into building more companies, it's into making more change. And so at some point, you don't like I don't. I mean, same thing with like these billionaires, like you don't buy more stuff, like there's no reason.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

Yeah, you can only wear one watch or one tie.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Yeah, and I I I like that I like cars a lot, but at the end of the day, um I put way more money into like building more companies and hiring more people, and like that that makes me a lot happier than the stuff for sure.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Yeah, because you're in the process, man. That's what I like about it. You're in the process. And you know, there's a it takes a lot of the pressure off of feeling like you need to be getting to a result. It takes it because if you know you're never going to going to arrive somewhere, it it takes away this feeling of happiness and fulfillment is somewhere over the horizon, which I see with guys a lot, whether it be their body or or some some professional goal or military, like guys guys will hit me up and they're trying to be going special operations and this, and they'll be like, oh dude, I just I I gotta get there, man, to get my life right. Or I go, dude, you're gonna get there and realize none of your problems are solved. I go, you're the same fucking guy. The happiest I've ever been in my life, uh, you know, from some places was when I was living at my mom's house training for SEALs, right? It was I actually got a lot more problems when I was at the SEAL team. And and I think that that happens too in business, you and you'd know better than most is yeah, you man, once I get that company, and then all my problems are gonna be free. I did that in my 20s.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

I was like, if I could just get this and yeah, and that that never happens.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Um and there's a lot of there's a it's refreshing and it actually takes a lot of that pressure off knowing that, dude, that's never coming. Alan Watts, a great professor, philosopher from like the 70s, he says something great. He goes, Look around, look around. All the people driving on the freeway. He goes, Everyone's running around trying to get it fixed. Everyone's trying to get it fixed. It's never getting fixed. It's never getting fixed. And once you realize that, you unlock something because it brings you back to the present. Oh, it's never, I'm never gonna arrive at some just fixed, finished point. Oh, so therefore, the fulfillment is right in this moment right now. It is are you fulfilled in the path you're traveling? That's it. That's the whole fucking game. And people that understand that early un unlock something tremendous.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Yeah, the problems never stop coming. Never. And so if you wake up and you're like, Why is this happening to me? I can't believe it. It's always somewhere else. You're gonna have I mean, you're gonna have more problems the next week. And if the more money you make, you won't have more problems. The less money you make, you have more problems. Like it doesn't matter where you go, you're always gonna have more problems. Uh and so I've I've always realized that. And again, I think that's why I've always liked the process. Of course, like when you reach a certain milestone or things do work out after you've been working at it for years, you do feel good, but then you move the goalposts and it's something else, and then something other something else bad will happen each day in that day, and then you're like, this new thing you're you're having to navigate. And so for people out there that are listening, they never go away. And money's not gonna solve all your problems.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

Um, you know, it's an amplifier, if anything.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Um, a lot of times it can amplify the bad, just like well, just like you said, a lot, a lot of people, alcohol, drugs, like because you have more time now, and like I can do whatever I want. So you have to enjoy the process. It's just hard to tell people that while they're going through bad times.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

I had to like, oh, just enjoy it. And you're like, they're like, fuck you. Yeah. I heard an interesting uh quote that said, Um, don't be virtue, don't be talking of virtue signaling when you just don't have enough money to fund your bad habits. They go, a lot of virtue is hidden in poverty. You know, and I thought it was interesting, but it says if you're not a good, solid, disciplined person, throwing more money on it is throwing gasoline onto a fire.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Well, it goes back to the lottery winners and stuff that you see, and it's like they've they don't know anything about money. They get all this money and then they spend it all right. Well, of course, because they haven't like built up that mindset or discipline. Yeah, the person who is successful, yeah, yeah, yeah, and learned about money and did all this stuff and then that they don't squander it. And so, um, I mean, almost isn't it almost every story? Like they go back and they pretty much spend all of it. Everyone, except unless people I mean, there could be like one or five percent or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Unless somebody who was a successful person going into it right at their core. Yeah. You know, they had successful habits. It was goes through their surroundings too. It was, you know, don't be out looking and searching for wealth when you come home to poverty and it and they mean it in terms of your cleanliness in your house. How do you take care of it? You know, are you pro do you take pride in your immediate surroundings and yourself and your body? If you don't, don't expect you to be finding anything successful because you're not that it, you're not it yet. And if you get it, you're gonna lose it fucking immediately.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Yeah. Uh that's sick, man. I've actually I've I've seen a lot of that happen to a lot of people, actually. Uh, especially somebody that makes money really quickly. Absolutely. You know, it might not be lottery, right? But it could just be a number of other things.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Yeah, enough to for it to suck to lose it quickly.

SPEAKER_01 42:34

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SPEAKER_00 43:10

You're you're gonna get the same results if you keep doing the same shit and nothing changes. The inputs have to become different. That's actually a very simple, such an easy concept to understand that a lot of us have failed. I've failed at it in my life before. When you realize okay, if here's the am I happy in this current moment? Am I happy in the path and trajectory I'm on? If the answer is no, then it's just factual. Then what you're doing currently is you're not going to get a different result. So what do you need to change? It doesn't all need to be changed at once, but it can be something as simple as your daily disciplines. I always say start there because you can't be achieved success. I don't think long term, if you're not a disciplined person at your core, that could be waking up or Yeah, I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

I'm I'm I'm a big believer.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Yeah, I just don't. I mean, you just can't, or at least even if you do achieve financial success, if we're just talking about that, what's the quality of your life, though? Because you and I both know that there's people who are suicidal living in mansions on hills.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Right. And then likewise, there's people live modestly who are very happy. So whose quality of life is better? My whole thing is why not combine all that? Why not combine? Yeah, why not combine all those things so you have success across the board where not only is your business good, not only is your body good, but your spiritual connection and your relationships with your family are good. Why why does why do we have to sacrifice in one area? And going back to what you're saying about like, oh, if you want to help people, why don't you do it as a nonprofit? It's such a in weird. I don't understand why people can't understand that two things can be true at once, that you can make money and be profitable and be helping people. I think it's not this zero sum game. Then I'll get hit for that for some guys to the oh, if you want to help people, you do it pro bono. And I'm like, and I always tell people it's no, you deserve better than something for fucking free, man. I'm not gonna rob you of your ability to invest in yourself. That's the truth, because that's what it takes a lot. I know I've had to do it because it's saying something about you and what you're willing to give back to yourself, and I'm not gonna rob you of that by giving you something for fucking free. It just doesn't work that way.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

I don't know who said it. I I it was in an interview. I don't know which you know, social media popular guy said it, but it's he said that when people are just comfortable enough, he's like, that's the most dangerous zone. Yeah, I don't remember who it was, but you know, their life is there's not enough pain to make a change. Yeah. So they never do, but it it there's that's what gets them stuck. It's like the most dangerous zone to be in because it's just comfortable enough to not have to change, but they want to so bad, and they like there's not enough pain to make them improve their life at all. Yeah, and I would say, dude, whether it's a money, whether it's like the comfort of like their life is really easy or something, and so it's like it almost has to be like you have to go through something like you did, or like this, like really, really low to make like fuck this. I think I gotta change my life, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

But the bottoming out is an absolute gift because it's a solid rock bed to build off.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

You never want to go back.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

You're like No, and I'm like if that goes to me. And dude, for me, dude, I have such a fear of being that broke again that I'm like, I'm gonna fucking do everything to make sure that that never happens again and take put these parameters and these protections in and be more disciplined. And that has been a huge benefit to me.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

Or thinking back to that time where you're doing fentanyl and staying up on the body.

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Yeah, and doing drug and just living it just so unbalanced, and so it's just stacking karmic debt for myself just by not living correctly and just this anxiety and this this these chemical imbalances never again. And so I'll put all these parameters and these protections in. People get comfortable in their own agony. And it's this goes from you see it in relationships a lot. People are like, uh, it's the it's the the comfort of the what's familiar. Familiarity is so fucking dangerous for people because it's also we're wired that way. We're wired to, oh, this was safe yesterday, so this must be safe today. It's the way we can kind of do pattern recognition of people like, well, this job, this couch, this fucking bag of potato chips, and oh, I did this yesterday, and it was predictable. And so being able to adapt with things not always being predictable and walking into fear, whether it be learning a new skill or starting that business that you are like, is this gonna work? Or you've kind of built an identity and an understanding and pattern recognition of things being scary. You're used you're used to a little bit of fear in your investments and what you're doing, and you're used to that. And so you've what your normal is is different than somebody else's normal who hasn't really done that before. But that takes that took a lot of repetitions and a lot of repetitions. A lot of the failures and managing fear. Yeah, managing fear. And I think that they do that, I know that they do that in special operations and diff. It's you get comfortable in things being fucking scary. That's normal and hard. And so that's not un uncommon, and and that's the gift of it is learning how to manage fear and using it as a catalyst and not an anchor.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Most people, it's how you frame it, and putting yourself in hard situations and getting getting through those hard situations, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Absolutely. With people people with relationships, it takes a lot of people down. And if you marry the wrong person or you start even dating, let's talk like if you're recognizing that this is something that's not useful. I've been in bad relationships before where I could not build because I was so focused on doing damage control a lot, emotional damage control, and this and that. Thank God, because it got so uncomfortable that I had to change it. But people that are just that just kind of not working, but they'll stay that way for 20 years.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

I do feel like that's a big thing in especially in relationships. It's like it's it's you don't want to exit the relationship, right? Because it's gonna be painful. Yeah, but you are dealing with a lot of just mediocre comfort, um, and a lot of probably not healthy uh, you know, back and forth with the other person. And this so they get stuck in that that rut with that same person for a long time. And you know they're negative, you know they're probably like all these bad things about them, but again, like they don't want to push themselves through that hard time of like getting out of that relationship. Yeah, the dip the the uncomfortable conversation, the breaking up, yeah, the the the sadness, everything. But like you know how bad you it is now in your relationship, but yet it's not bad enough to like. Not bad enough, dangerous place to be. The comfort thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

Austin, but shout out to Austin Hancock, our our homie. He he says something interesting, he goes, dude, I won't do business with people until I meet their spouse. And uh which is an interesting kind of a of a dynamic. He says for one reason. Like if you show up in this guy as you're dealing with someone that's problematic, wife, or whatever, or or is kind of venomous and oh, you know, you dripping poison in your business partner's ear, like, oh, you're doing all the work. Like you get yeah, you get these, you know, you're doing all the work. I've dealt with that before. He's driving that car. Why aren't we driving that car? Those small things, but they don't see the full picture, but it's just creating enough. You gotta that reflection of you is so important. Is it a is it a healthy person who's supportive and clear and and because that's a re that's gonna affect the business massively.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

What do you think one habit is that that has changed your life for you? Like one of the good habits that you created. Um one of the biggest ones.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Getting up early every day, not not changing that. That has been if I said do anybody to pick the low-hanging fruit. Yeah, no, we were talking to Candace earlier about like I think women don't need to be as strict about the wake-up time. Women need to sleep a little more, I think, just in general.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

My wife, my wife's that way. She she just likes to get up when she gets up. Not that it's late, it's just she ain't getting up at 4 45 in the morning and like getting out of bed. She answers all our emails, she has this little like routine thing.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

And I think women operate better with a little bit more flexibility with that. I think men should be a lot more disappointing. It's just better. It also just sets a good serious tone. And I'm not saying I'm a robot, like I'm not feet on the ground at three, you know, four dot zero every day, but pretty damn early and pretty intentional with what's going on, even with the baby and all these things, is I just found it to be really useful to be that proactive first thing. And it also just gets me ahead. I don't feel behind. It keeps cortisol levels though. And you're talking about like when you burn in, bro. Stress hormones, cortisol, that shit, prefrontal cortex overload, it fries you, bro.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Yeah, I didn't realize that in the beginning. You know, I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

And so I that morning time, when are you gonna take time to be conscious and present and quiet? Well, not it when later in the day, when you're spun up with the kids and you're not doing it, you're not, and I'm not talking about in traffic when you think a little bit. I mean like quiet breathing. And it doesn't need to be some long two-hour biohacking bullshit where you gotta stand on your head and cold dot and red plunge and fucking kumbaya. But a handful, you know, some minutes, 15, 20 minutes where you're breathing, conscious, maybe some prayer, something, some full philosophical type framing. Boom, then a little movement, then boom, now you're off in your day. But that just it that I was doing that in I started doing it in the Foreign Legion when I really started to, dude, I was doing that in the field. Even when we'd be sleeping out in the woods, I'd fucking get up before anybody and just give myself that little edge to like shit, shower, shave, kind of be ahead of the the Chinese fire drill that would come behind me. And dude, I've I I realized, dude, this is a cheat code. I'm gonna do this forever.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

I had to do that. I developed that habit over the course of being in business, you know, in my 20s. And I'm like, dude, if I want to work out, if I want to like have good ideas coming in, like I have to get up before my phone starts. Because again, remember I told you I was doing everything everything.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

You had to be up before the contractor started hitting you all the way.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

It wasn't even contracting the all the people, the all the employees of the business, people not showing up again. Yeah, I was doing everything myself. So like all the calls came to me. Yeah. And so I knew that if I got up early enough, like I, you know, all my good ideas came in the morning when nothing, my phone wasn't crazy, emails, problems didn't start happening, like you know, the business is melting down and this happened. And and so that's where I developed that habit. And I've I still have it to today, even though I don't really have to do that. Like, we have a lot of executives in place, and like things are in place, my life's different, but that still is my like most enjoyable time of the day, I guess. It's weird, like by myself. Yeah, right. I I enjoy a lot of other times during the day, but it's different. And I have a like my best ideas come probably before 9 a.m. every day.

SPEAKER_00 53:49

Oh, dude. I've found it to be crucial. And I need to feel that that be there's been maybe one day where I was not first up in years, like, and I'm talking with my family maybe one day, and I notice it immediately. Like you're up and now I'm behind on just edits, or it just I know I'm like, this is not the jam. There's I don't know how anybody serious, at least I'm at, can't get shit done by waking up and being reactive to the phone. Most people do it out of need. I did it in the military just so I can get up before because the bathrooms are all used. I did it too. I'm like waking up before like the world's melting down, yeah. And and then guys in prison who's who started getting up early and stuff because they wanted to be first in the bath, like just get shit done. That that's how the best the best systems are done when you do it. But the problem is with a lot of guys, and what happens is this is when self-sabotage starts, is they'll develop a really good habit and then starts getting the systems in place. Life starts changing. Now you don't have to anymore out of need.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

You're like I and they stop. Camp days here, here. They stop.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

And it's good that you've you've you still do it because, like for me, dude, I'm in my master bathroom, you know, in the beautiful farmhouse and all this, doing my same push-ups as I did in the Foreign Legion barracks room or in a fucking cell. I've I realized that it was useful, and then I realized before where I failed, which was life got more comfortable and the comfort fucking killed me. It just because I ruined my, I forgot what got me there. And it was it's sinister too, because it happens slowly. You'll just kind of start waking up later and then realize oh, I'm still kind of getting shit done. Like things aren't crumbling, and then it just starts backsliding and then it goes bump, and then then something falls off. Yeah, that habit leads into another bad habit and another bad habit, and another bad habit to meet it's it's it's so slight that that is how the devil fucking works is magic. It's very slight what happens with guys when they start backsliding. They don't notice it until now they're drinking every day, and you know, when they work, it just starts, eh, whatever. I can still, I'm not gonna track food. I got up late, or I well, you know, I used to track my food in the morning, now I'm kind of not because I'm late, and it's just a blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

Every once in a while, I'll when we go to the lake house, because it's like dead quiet.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

North is this the house in Austin that Candace was talking about.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

Yeah, so we'll go up there, but it's different. It's on the north side of the lake, so it's not in Austin City. You know, it's like right, it's kind of out by itself. You know, pretty good amount of land, but when we're there, like there's no airplanes, there's no like in Houston, there's always something helicopters and sirens and whatever. And I'll sleep, like, and we'll maybe stay up late. We have a bunch of guests in town, and I'll sleep till you know 7:30 or 8. And then when I get it, it like messes up my whole day. Even there, like I still feel like I'm behind and like, I'm like, oh man, why'd I do that? Just like throws off my day. And then when I sleep too much, it makes me feel weird too. Like I feel a little bit like more groggy or something. It's so weird. Well, I hate it. And it's like I every it happens like just once in a blue moon, and I just like always wake up. I'm like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

And that's the thing is I I've and I'm not perfect, right? There's been there's been days like, you know, it's you're on vacation or something, but I realized that, dude, I like it. That and that was the shift. I just like getting up earlier that more than I like the sleep because what's nice is on vacation, too, because you're on vacation, you're doing something different, you're like, ooh, I want to get up and kind of not ruin the day. And so I like getting up before everybody because now I'm experiencing kind of like a little downshift day. I'm not doing zooms and stuff. It feels good that I can be up at that time and not be rushing off into a call or something.

SPEAKER_01 57:29

I thought so. Whenever I was in my 20s, so many people were like, You work too much. You're like, you know, you're not, you don't ever take vacations, you don't ever do this stuff. And then of course, met my current my wife, who she is now, but when we had just gotten together, she had a nine to five job and she's like, You're working too much, and like all these people are telling me I need to enjoy my life more. And so I was like, Well, maybe I do. Like maybe I am, maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. And so I started kind of like trying to, and I was always miserable. And I'm thinking, when I now when I look back, I'm like, why I was I like to do all that stuff. So like now I'm doing now. I'm doing stuff that I don't like, so my l life is less enjoyable. And so like I was listening to other people try to tell me like I'm doing too much, or I'm it was a bunch of different stuff, right? But it was like, wait a second, I thought it was weird or something. I was like, maybe I am, like I'm just like I'm working too much, I'm you know, I'm stressing myself out. I don't know. I started like being in my own head and I was like, maybe there is more to life or whatever. But then I would go do all this other stuff. I'm like, I fucking hate that. Yeah. And so I've built my life now where I do all the stuff that I like to do. And so I don't even really like going on vacation because like I like my life that I built. Yeah, and now I'm like paying to leave it. Yeah, so I hate it so much. Maybe one day we'll travel, but I I'd like it, it made me really look back and I'm like, there was nothing wrong with me. I was just really enjoying the stuff that I was doing at the time. I wasn't weird, I wasn't like eating, listening to other people was my mistake. Like they're trying to tell me I'm working too much or tell me like I do, I don't take it easy, I don't go on vacations, I don't do this. Like um that was a bad mistake of listening to other people's opinions on that side of it. Like it just didn't it was like their I guess projection of themselves on me or something. I don't know. Or maybe they thought I would be happy.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

Like Well, it's it it it's it's you it's not weird, it's rare. And so if you're of course 90% of the population's not gonna understand how 10%'s gonna work.

SPEAKER_01 59:23

I see it back when I'm looking back, but when I was in my 20s, I didn't uh I there was not really a lot of social media.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Um you weren't seeing high performance.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

Oh no, there's there is these lives where like people were like living to the extreme. Yeah, and so I was getting in my own head. I'm like, maybe I'm like just doing too much or doing it wrong, or like second guessing some of the stuff I was doing, it was weird.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

Most people and that people talk to me about hobbies, they'll ask, like, what up what are my hobbies? And I'm like, I kind of like working.

SPEAKER_01 59:54

I guess if you is that a hobby?

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Yeah, I like working, I like working out, and like maybe I'll do some other stuff, but I just threw like shooting or something. I'm like, not really, because I I did it so long. I that that's not really what I enjoy doing. I like working and trying to build my business and working and helping people. That's uh what I like to do, and and what's wrong with that?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

You like discipline, I think is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:17

Yeah, and I like battle rhythm is what we call it. I like the battle rhythm of that you wake up, you kind of you have your flow and you're kind of working in process in progress and building and and figuring problems out. A lot of people use hobbies as escapism, and I I don't really ever find this need to escape from it. I'm I'm I'm in where I want to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:38

A lot of people goes back to the same thing. I was always saying it's like I don't like to go on vacation because I like just try to build the things that I want each day here and that that I have around me and like work out with good people and do this and like spend time with my family. Like all this stuff, like I've built my life around that. Like, I don't want to leave it and like pay to leave it. Like even more miserable.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

Yeah, dude. It you I like to do things but I've tried to pay attention to anxiety now. Like anxiety is a weird word, and uh but you know that feeling when you kind of feel like you're working in something that's not really what you want to be doing or you should be doing something else. I've had that, yeah. There's that like, oh, I um should be doing something else. I pay attention to that, and when I'm doing, when I'm not feeling that, I'm I'm right in the zone. It's like when we're at the gym today and we're talking and we're shooting none of that. I'm not experiencing any anything that because I know I'm exactly where I need to be. When I'm on a Zoom call and I'm working with someone, I'm not experiencing any of that. When I'm fucking off in the woods, like you know, shooting it may sound weird, or shooting a bow and arrow for too long, and I kind of feel like, okay, this is run its course, and I and I I want to it's directing me down. I don't need to spend time, or if I'm on vacation, we went to Hawaii, like I'm out there for a week, and I'm then I'm like, all right, and I'm still working a little bit. Like, I don't go scorched earth on the phone, I'm always kind of still working. I like that feeling of kind of always consistently moving the ball forward.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:01

There's a clip that I have him saved in my phone that I post a lot because I talk about discipline a lot. And have you seen that clip where it's Khibib is like doing the voiceover and it kind of shows him fighting and it shows him and it's like discipline. Discipline is like the answer to everything for a man, right? And it's like if you want peace, discipline is what's gonna you know build it. If you want, you know, you want a good life, you want a good family, all this stuff, it's like it comes from discipline. Yeah. Uh I'll have Brian, you'll have to put up the clip because it's like really awesome. I post it a lot on my social media, but if you don't watch that and you're not fired up after it, you're like, motherfucker. Like it's like when I'm having a bad day, I'm like, look at it, I'm like, he embodies it too.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

And we talk about discipline a lot with in the physical sense, but there's a lot of disciplines that men require to not fuck things up. Sexual discipline, right? Discipline on with lust.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

Well, I think it's everything, right? Everything in life. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

Discipline is a one thing that covers everything. It will improve your life. Emotional discipline. Yeah, it will improve your life.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

And there's no way that more discipline will not improve your life. No, and it's a weird word.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

It's the D word. People don't like the answer, but it's so effective.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:14

Especially for a guy. I mean, really for everybody, but like a young man, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

Um yeah, got kick young kid coming up. If anybody young watching this, it's like, well, somebody asked me, Do I regret anything? Some this is a good question. And if people will be like, No, I don't, you know, where I get people understand the butterfly effect, and if you didn't do certain things, you wouldn't be here. I understand that. But fuck yeah, I regret a ton of stuff. And the thing I regret the most is times in my life where I should have been more disciplined in college, in the SEAL teams, like just a little bit more discipline would have changed the trajectory and of my life. More importantly, mitigated a lot of self-induced issues. Any decisions any any issue I've ever had in my life, any self-induced problem, was a discipline issue. It was always it was always a rooted lack of discipline in a moment or a time frame.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:04

Now people ask me that same question. It's like, do you regret anything? And I'm like, actually I do. I wasted, like when my dad passed away when I was 18, the 18 to 22, although I was still like you know, flipping house of folk like doing stuff, I wasted those four years a hundred percent on drinking and fighting and like just undisciplined. Yeah. And now that I think back on it, discipline would have solved all those problems. But just be an idiot and blaming the world for it was no one else's fault.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:32

But you were so much smarter than me at 19, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

Dude, the fact that you I was doing, I was at least, but you know what? That actually, if I wouldn't have had that in working out, I would have I would have gone down the path you would have. Like I would have, it was jail or or or you know, alcohol, drugs, like all this stuff, being around the wrong people. Like that would have been that could have that path could have happened if I wasn't working out some way, shape, or form. And then also having like my business stuff to focus on and like, okay, I still have to get up and do this. So I was making terrible decisions. Yeah. But that stuff keeping me like, I can't go a hundred percent full tilt. It's like I have responsibility, I have to wake up and do this. Like, so if I didn't have that, I probably would have been one of those people that just crash and burn.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:17

Well, this that was the smart piece was your entrepreneurial endeavors at such a young age. It was it's fascinating how some people can think in that way so young.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:26

I came from a small town and I knew that I didn't belong there. And I just didn't know what uh how to get out or didn't know what I wanted to do. I wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna I was like, I knew I wanted to make money. I knew I wasn't interested in school anymore. Like I was a good student all the way up to like eighth grade. I was like really smart, past everything, didn't really have to study. Uh high school, I didn't really do anything because I went to a public high school. They didn't really care if you showed up, so I didn't really show up for four years. So I have an eighth grade education basically. And when I got out, I was like, I gotta get out of this town. Like, it's not the path for me. Like people that just stay here, never leave. Drink beer on their porch, like talk about other people. Like, that does like that doesn't that this isn't the life I want. And so the house thing was the only thing that was like, okay, I buy something really crappy and fix it up. Like that made sense. Like, and back then there was no like you couldn't just make money online. Like you couldn't like look up something and like have it tell you what to do and have a step-by-step plan. And so it was either that or open a store. Like you had to physically open a store, which I had not enough money to do. And so that was the only thing that made sense. So I was like, I want to make money. This makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:31

And that still makes sense. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

That's like I think there was like some shows on TV back then. I don't know if the flipping flipping shows were on there. Not a lot. There was some. And so, like, again, it was like very simple to me in my head. Luckily, that happened. And then when I started working out when I was like 17 and a half, 18, that also kept me on track because I got really into it. And even though we were doing stupid shit and drinking all the time, I was like, I can't go too far. I still gotta work out at least a couple days this week. You know, like I'm yeah, like trying to maintain like it back then, it was more like the way you look, not necessarily like how I felt. Yeah, it still is. I gotta get to mine's mine's like mine's more the way I feel now, more than the way I look. Of course, I don't want to like be out of shape, but yeah, you're doing it for this. Yeah, but when I'm out of shape, you feel bad anyway. So that doesn't even make any sense. It's like the the side effect is like working out all the time is like feeling good and being in shape, yeah. Like or the the result. Man, discipline will solve everyone's problems if you're listening. What's the simplest thing somebody can do today to start building better habits? Like today, if they want to start and they know they have bad habits, they know they need to change something out. Like, what's the first move they make?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:42

I say write it down in black and white. What are the things that are holding you back? And be honest that don't lie on that piece of paper.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

Yeah, it's only yourself looking at it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:51

Yeah, it is like without any judgment, really get honest, man. That's actually really hard to do. Even for me now, like writing down something that's like a big thing. Yeah, you're tricking yourself into thinking about it. You don't want to, you want to be like, uh, and like you'll find yourself even justifying something to yourself on a fucking piece of paper. It's weird. But if you're having justification, you don't need to justify a beautiful decision. Beautiful decisions are are smooth, seamless. Like you don't need to justify you going and walking around the neighborhood with your kids. You won't go, oh well, I know you carry the one, you know. You won't be doing some mental gymnastics. Things are you're doing mental gymnastics on are probably stuff you should. No, I'm not saying that you have to be a perfect monk in your life. What I'm saying is if your life's not where you want it to be. Exactly. That's what I'm saying, then that's the inputs we talked about.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:43

Yeah, whether it's money, whether it's not a couple of things.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

It could be alcohol, it could be some relationships, it could be like this is I'm in a place I I'm in a job that I hate and I'm I'm getting suffocated. Write it down. It's something powerful happens when you actually identify the problem. I saw somewhere that said, once you identify a problem, you've you've solved it by 50%. Once you can actually see what the issue is. And it's clear. Yeah, now you can actually reverse engineer or at least get a game plan of what you need to do and then pick one thing and fix it.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

When somebody does like pick a habit to change or try to improve their life, how long do you think it actually they have to stick to that habit before it truly becomes a habit? Or but how long do you think they need to stick to something?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:26

Well, I think that there's some research saying that 21 days to create a habit, but truly to recreate an identity. And also don't don't leave a void. I'll give you a great example, a practical example. Say, guy, and this is something that I experienced, say you're drinking every night, and you just you like to sit on the couch with your kids and sip, right? And guy, like, dude, I just don't want to drink every anymore. Like, I want or I want to put it away for a while or whatever. I'll say, All right, well, replace it with something. Don't sit there and be like, what do I do with my hands? Because there's actually some mechanisms here with habits.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

Replace your bad habits with good habits, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:01

Yeah, replace, don't leave a void. Don't leave a don't leave some white knuckle thing. I said, dude, put a put a soda water there or whatever. Yeah, just do something that actually kind of replaces that habit and then start there and do it every fucking day. You have to do it every day because it has to break up that pathology, that that that pathway of, oh, I do this and then I sit on the couch and then I grab this.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

All the people, well, I've interviewed a ton of like high performing people, but previous addicts, right? And the ones I know, or you know, even coming straight from them, is they either at some point in their life they stopped drugs, alcohol, whatever it was, the gambling, whatever it is, and then they stopped, but they went back to it because they didn't have something like they stopped, they knew it was bad and they needed to stop, but they didn't replace it with anything long term. And so a lot of the guys I know now, you know, of course they get super into fitness because like you're you're you go all in on that. And then a lot of it's building their business or or whatever it is, right? Or their family or something, but like some habit that like you can really focus on every day, or they end up like slowly like reverting back to that. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:07

You have to have a focus that you're actually building and that you're getting results from that's what I'm saying. Like some of the things that's so you're getting the feedback from that that positive vibe, but 100% pick that one small habit and chop it and replace it, like substitution.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:20

What do you think? So for somebody out there that feels like they failed at all these things, um, how do they stop making excuses saying, oh, I'm not gonna do it anyways because I'm probably gonna fail? Like, what's what's the one thing they can do to help themselves stop making excuses and change?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:36

Well, you're the only way you're gonna 100% fail is not do it. Yeah. 100% of the guys who never tried SEAL training failed because they never tried it. I said, uh I was told a lot, bro, when I brought when I had told some people, I tried to keep it close to the cuff, what I wanted to do, even from close family members. They're like, oh, you can't do that. Like, it's that's a fucking for somebody else. You know, it's like Yeah, you're not that guy. Yeah, you're not that guy. We know you, you're a normal person. And this is goes with with like entrepreneurship is that's especially if you're not around, they're like, I want to be a millionaire. I want to, I want to have this massive financial port uh this massive portfolio of real estate or whatever. And you see that for yourself, and you tell somebody, dude, they don't see you that way, they don't understand your level of commitment, grit, none of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

Or they know your past and they're judging.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:29

And they and they're only they can only judge you by the by your empirical evidence, by anecdotal evidence. Good, yeah. That that's actually fair for them. And so you have to really trust yourself to go back to your original question of like, how do you stop making excuses? Well, get get clear of who the fuck you are. Get get clear of and be confident about is this really? And and then do it. You have to at least start and know that there's no perfect path. There's no, you're not gonna know for sure it's gonna work out. That never fucking have you ever experienced you can't plan your way into anything. I want some level of certainty. That's like for SEALs at least. Like one of the biggest risks and SEALs specifically is if you don't make it, dude, you're not getting a gun still and going to infantry. You're going into a fucking ship and chipping paint. It's massively risky. You have guys who are D1 athletes chipping paint in the Navy. It's it's a very dangerous thing because if you fail, there's no like substitution or something that you could transfer into, maybe combat swimmer or swick or something. But you gotta take the risk and you gotta you gotta roll the dice. Be confident in rolling the fucking dice. It's all a risk anyway. It's way more risky to stay where you're at. That's what people have to really get rooted. They have to be fucking terrified enough of where they're at for the risk in the future to seem a null and void.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

I think another good recommendation, too, that I I tell people a lot is you know, don't take opinions from other people who haven't done what you're trying to do. Because again, not that those people around you like want something bad for you to have to happen to you or anything. I mean, they're probably like we don't want to see you fail, right? So don't do it. But if they've never, you know, built a million-dollar real estate portfolio, if they've never been to the Navy Sales, like why are you taking advice from them? You know, because it's not gonna be good advice. Yeah, because they're coming from a place of opinion. Again, if you had somebody that did the Navy SEALs and he tells you something, you're like, okay, well, yeah, and fine. I might take a little bit of that, you know, advice.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:29

Yeah, you'll have recruiters uh telling kids that and I have some guys come in while working with the in the pipeline who'll be pretty legit, but they'll go talk to a recruiter and they'll say, Oh, dude, you don't want to do that. Like, you're gonna like it's a 99% washout rate and this and that. And I go, Yeah, but he's not a SEAL. I go, go talk to a team guy, a SEAL, about being a SEAL, and he'll tell you, Yeah, you do this and that. Because they it's normal. It's like asking a millionaire, you know, somebody was gonna come come ask you about I want to become a millionaire, you're not gonna go, oh, you're gonna go, okay. Well, here's how you do, because it's it's it's it's it's real. Yeah, it's real life.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

As opposed to somebody else that's not like, dude, you can't do that. Like you, the larger.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:13

Because you you understand that it's just normal life and it's just a step-by-step sequential process. It's uh it's it's not anything fancy or or mysterious.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

No. Um, how do you hold yourself accountable when maybe the people you don't have the right people around you to actually do it? So it's just yourself. How do you hold yourself accountable? When you're, you know, your people are on a lone path, some a lonely path sometimes, and yeah, they don't have the support system around them that will hold them accountable, right? That's a lot of people in life are stuck in the situation they're in because the people around them, yeah, number one, don't hold them accountable and don't push them to be their best selves, right? Um, and so how do you do that? How do you like get out of that situation and hold yourself accountable to the things you told yourself you were gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:00

Yeah, have a commitment to self and here also it's useful. Here's what I did. Say, say when I'm, you know, post-jail and training for seals, I put a picture of a seal trident on my mirror in my bathroom. And it just forced me to look at myself and look at that every day. It was just a reminder of where I was going, even in the process where I had a lot of things pulling me in different directions. Old people, old places, old habits were kind of pulling me in different directions. And every day I was forced to look at it. It's a recommitment to self every day. That's why I say be disciplined and recommit to yourself and remember why you fucking started every day because it's gonna require a reminder and understand that if you feel this period of isolation, this no man's land, it means you're going in the right direction. You're gonna, it means that you're in the space between the place you're leaving and the place you're going. That's a good, that's a good moment when you realize, man, it's kind of isolating. Yeah. I'm sure you've had periods of isolation where you're like, nobody's when you're late 20s or yeah, and you're gonna have these moments where your old friends or people you knew don't really operate how you do, or you're not quite successful enough to be with the big dogs at the next level yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:16

That period.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:17

Yeah. That I think that happens to a lot of people whenever you, especially when you're changing your life. Yeah. Right? No matter what it is, whether it's like eating riot or or money or anything, relationship, like there's gonna be that period where you're like leaving that group of people uh and then you're by yourself for a while until you find people that are gonna push you again or people that are like-minded or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:38

Embrace that isolation.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:39

Yeah, it that's a hard thing, man. Yeah, that's it. That's why I asked the question.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

Yeah, and recognizing that that period doesn't last forever. That's an important piece, is to remember that.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

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SPEAKER_00 1:18:24

First go back to write down the the things that are holding you back or that it puts you in that position. Write them down. Keep them simple. And I'm talking three or four or five things and then bullet points, and then pick a plan. It doesn't have to be perfect and don't make it think that it needs to be the forever plan. Oh, I gotta find my next career life path. Pick it and then start moving. Keep it really simple, and I'd say start by waking up early. If you're not doing that, don't try to rebuild your life sleeping in till fucking 1 p.m. It I think that it's because every time you wake up, you know that you're not really in that good discipline mindset. Wake up early, start feeling better about yourself, get a little bit momentum and self-confidence with just the wake up and then saying, I'm gonna start doing something positive and better for myself, that opens up a lot of doors.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:17

For a younger person who's never had anybody teach them about discipline or had anybody, you know, they don't have the right parents to teach them about discipline, then they haven't found the right mentor or person in their life. What what would you tell them? What's some advice that you would give to those people?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:36

I'd say look around and watch people see people who are living a life that you like, that's it that you admire. And what are they doing? Pattern recognition. Read, read about people, dude. But one of my favorite things were biographies of of famous people.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:52

Funny you say that. Like that's all I read when I was in my 20s of business people. But because it gave me the you didn't get to see all the headlines. It was like, oh, this bad stories and like the shit they did for like five years. And like to me, I'm like, oh man, that okay, maybe I am doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:09

Yeah, I would while I would read the old president's biographies when I'm in like late teens, early twenties. They fascinated me because it was that stuff. It was, you know, you got the Andrew Jacksons and people that burned all their money when in their 20s and went to, you know, like had these failure points and then recorrected. And that was fascinating to me is recognizing that all these people are human, everybody's making mistakes. Okay, what did they do to fix it? And then sometimes often reaching out to people, getting getting on a program, doing something, restructuring is really helpful.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:42

Yeah, I feel like now today's world where you have so much access is is is definitely the positive of the internet.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:47

And you can reach out to somebody and contact them.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

I respond direct. I don't yeah, we I I'm on every platform. I don't respond to a lot of things I'm not active on. I mean, we post a lot, but I respond to all my messages like this. So like me too. I try to give advice because I'm like, I think back, I'm like, man, I would have wanted that advice if I was 25 and they like asked me something about like what direction they're like.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:08

I respect the shit out of somebody that has the gumption to just reach out because things are that simple. Things are as simple as reaching out and talking to somebody.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:19

To this day and age, I mean, the majority of people, unless they're just like crazy, crazy big and they don't answer any of the messages, like you can get a hold of people.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Yeah, and what are they doing? You know, it's like if if somebody's doing something and why don't you give it a why don't you give it a shot? You know, as far as their schedule and how they're living, change that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:39

What's the last thing that you want to leave with somebody that who's sitting in a hard place right now and maybe needs to hear some some difficult talk?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:49

Yeah. It's not permanent and you did it. It's not anybody else, but your your fault. It's very empowering to know that it's all your fucking fault, and therefore you're the only one that can change it. And that's the gift is that you can change it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:03

Sweet, man. Thank you for coming on.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:05

Absolutely, man. I appreciate you having me, man. It's been a good good time outlifting a little steak, dude. I really appreciate your guys' hospitality. It was great. Y'all are super, super classy.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:16

All right, awesome, man. Thank you.