Your Kid Isn't Broken — You're Just Parenting Wrong: The Brutal Truth From Coach Mike

Most parents think their kid has a problem. Coach Mike thinks the parent is the program and the program needs to change.

This is one of the rawest, most real conversations we have ever had on the Success Formula Podcast. Coach Mike is the founder of One Way Boxing, a youth boxing and behavior reset program that is quietly doing what no school, no therapist, and no government program has been able to pull off. He is transforming genuinely uncontrollable kids into accountable, disciplined, self-respecting young men and women with a 100% success rate.

But Coach Mike's story did not start in a gym. It started in a three mile suburb of DC, with a single mother, a house full of kids, a felony conviction for involuntary manslaughter, a GED earned behind bars, a scholarship he could not use, an All-American football career that led nowhere because of his record, and a suicide attempt in 2011 that changed everything. Boxing gave him a reason to keep going. Now he is giving that same reason to hundreds of kids who are running out of options.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

ADHD, ODD, Autism. These are the kids that most people do not know how to help.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

What do they really prepare you for?

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Man, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

And a lot of times the ones that the system has already written on. I'm affectionately known as Coach Mike. My guest today has a background in psychology.

SPEAKER_04 0:16

I have a whole curriculum. I call it the life curriculum. So he understands exactly what's going on in these kids' minds. They don't teach in school choices and consequences, decision making, emotional control. But it's what he does with that knowledge. First thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make you mad. What are we? And what do we do to wolves?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

What do we do to wolves? That is gonna surprise you. Discipline is love, man, with boundaries. Because his secret weapon isn't found in a textbook. Get your ass in the ring. We'll fix it. Or a therapist's office. It is the last thing you'd ever expect.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

First off, I wanna say I really love what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

I think some form of boxing, mixed martial arts, jujitsu, whatever it is, just you know, one-on-one, no team, no nothing. I think that should be mandatory for definitely young men when they're growing up. Yeah, for sure. I think it would solve a bunch of the problems that we have today for sure. It's just I think there's so many mental benefits, physical benefits. Yeah. And again, just team sports are good, but there's something that that one-on-one does that the team um doesn't give you away.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

Right. I I say it all the time, bro. I um I played every team sport you could think of soccer, hockey. I played everything, bro, when I was growing up. And I learned more about myself in the first round of my first fight than I learned about myself in 20, 30 years of playing all team sports, man. I'm telling you, it teaches you something that you you you ain't gonna learn nowhere else. It teaches you to depend on yourself, number one.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

That's the biggest thing, especially when you're a kid, right? Yeah, if you always have somebody, if if the game gets lost or something happens. Not that you always do, but you're like, oh, it's because so and so did this, so-and-so did this. Like when you're if one-on-one with someone else, like you ain't got nobody to blame. You ain't no, you ain't got no help. No, no. It's like I I gotta prepare good enough.

SPEAKER_04 2:09

I gotta like be mentally tough. Yeah, and they say you you got your coach in the corner. Well, you gotta make it to the damn corner to your coach. You know, there's a possibility that you can't that you can't get over there. It just forces you to become a baby over it's so many different steps to it. First, you gotta be conditioned enough to train, to learn how to box, right? Then when you get conditioned enough, you gotta learn the skill of boxing. Then when you learn the skill, you gotta spar. Then you gotta learn how to spar, you gotta learn how to control your breathing in the sparring. And then just when you think you're getting it, we're gonna step the competition up. It just makes you be a baby all over again. That's that's how I any combat sport for real, it forces you to start over.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

That's kind of how it was when I started because I didn't start until man, 36, maybe 37, maybe even around that time. And uh, I would always been, you know, working out, lifting weights, athletic. Right. But you can't prepare for it. So yeah, way different. I was like, man, I'm not in shape at all.

SPEAKER_04 3:06

NFL NBA athletes come in and they're like, yeah, we I want to train. Uh okay, bro. Now I'm in shape. Okay, bro. We'll see in a second.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Yeah, it's different because you you a lot of times, especially when you're when you're new, number one, you're nervous, but you're gonna hold your breath every time you try to throw a punch or or you try to block something, and you're gassed out like you're gassed out like 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 3:26

The mental aspect of it gasses you more than anything. Yeah, because um, it's not like you know, you can hit the mitts for 30 minutes, but then you get in the ring and spar for two seconds and you're like gassed. You're like, what the hell? It's crazy. It's the mental aspect of it too, because you're trying to, it's like sensory overload.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

So before we go kind of super deep on the rest of the stuff, who are you? You know, where did you come from? What was your life like growing up?

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Yeah. So uh I'm affectionately known as Coach Mike. Uh I'm from a small town in Virginia called Dumfries, man. It it ain't nothing but a three-mile radius, uh suburb of DC, you know. Um it just like a lot of people, it was a it was a pretty rough area, you know, um, that I grew up in. Same story as a as a lot of people. Um yeah, that's that's pretty much it. Um grew up with a single mom, you know, bunch of us in a in a little house. Um, I took care of my nieces and nephews and my little brothers. Um, and I got into my fair share of shit, that's for sure. You know, uh, yeah, that's pretty much where I come from.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Did you what did discipline look like in your house when you were younger?

SPEAKER_04 4:39

My mom was a disciplinarian. She she didn't let me get away with shit. Um, but it just got to a certain point where I was like, I mean, you see my stature and stuff. So the punishments stopped. My mother was not a regular woman. For punishment, she would make us put our backs in the doorway with her and go to the body and stuff. My mother taught me how to fight initially.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 4:59

Yeah, my mom. She worked in a prison, man. She was a CEO and she was well known to handle, you know, her business. So she was not like a um Pushover. No, not in the least. Everybody in the neighborhood was scared of her. Oh, that's Mike Mom. You better get away with me. You know what I mean? But even still, when I got to a certain point, I was like, I'm gonna just do what I want. That shit don't hurt no more. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, she's still my mom.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

So it wore off. So you went you went to high school?

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Did you graduate high school? What what's the story about that?

SPEAKER_04 5:30

Uh no, I didn't graduate high school. Um, I got into some tr trouble with the law uh senior year, a couple weeks before graduation. So I ended up getting my GED while I was incarcerated. Yeah. How long did you get incarcerated for? Um, not long for what the charge was. I could have I could have been locked up for a much longer time. I think they they sentenced me to like five years and then suspended a lot of it. Um, but I caught a you know an involuntary manslaughter charge. So Can you tell the story? Um, yeah, I'll tell the story. It was uh it was just a fight that went wrong, man. It wasn't intentional. It wasn't um, you know, I definitely didn't plan on doing it. Um unfortunately I got into a fight like so many other kids, and um the guy was fighting, he hit his head on the concrete and he ended up passing away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Yeah, it's crazy because uh when I was growing up, same thing. I mean, it was really common for uh just a bunch of young guys to get in a fight. Yeah. Whether it's in school or whether it's outside of school, uh anywhere you're at. I mean, you know, everybody's trying to test you, you're you have to test uh you know, defend yourself, you have to take up for yourself. It's just it's constantly thrown at a young man. I think especially in some of these young in these small towns too, like there's nothing going on.

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Yeah, it wasn't too much going on.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it it's crazy. What you know, when you were locked up, what was going through your head after you got locked up? Were you like what decisions were you thinking that you were gonna make? Were you ready to get out? Where would you have a big plan for when you get out? Like what was the what was the goal?

SPEAKER_04 7:02

Well, I still had um scholarship offers that were coming in, like I used to get packets in the mail to fill out college applications while I was, you know, incarcerated. So that was always the plan, but mentally I wasn't I was I was so checked out mentally because I didn't mean for that to happen. You know what I mean? I struggled with with dealing with that for a long time. Um, but that was always the plan to go to college after. Unfortunately, it didn't um the the uh probation and parole office tried everything they could to prevent me from going to college, but you know, um I actually ended up going to job corps. I snuck the job corps, I lied on the application because you're not even supposed to be a felon in job corps.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

Well, so what do explain what job core is?

SPEAKER_04 7:48

So this is when you're in prison or when you No, when I got out, when I was released, they wouldn't let me transfer. I still had a uh scholarship offered at North Dakota State and a couple other smaller schools, and they wouldn't transfer my probation um because I was just getting out and stuff like that. But you know, um, so I there was a job core in West Virginia, and um my my new PO allowed me to go, but she told me if you get in any trouble, I'm gonna act like I didn't know you was there, right? So that means I gotta be on my best behavior. But to get in, I had to lie. You're not supposed to be a felon and go to job core. Job core is a um it's a trade school, basically. You go and learn a trade, and um, you know, then you graduate with your certificate and stuff, and you can go home and get a job. So that's what I was after. But lo and behold, they had a college program. And I was like, oh shit, what is that all about? And I I got into the college program, they basically prep you for the ACT test. And I score so high on the ACT test, I got an academic scholarship to get to go to West Virginia State University, and then I walked back on the football team. And then, you know, all American a couple times and stuff. So I thought I was, you know, okay, we go into the NFL, plans back on. Hell no. They do background checks, just like everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

So so really, you can't you can't get into the NFL if you have a fire charge, it just makes it much more difficult.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

You can. I think it depends on who it is. I think if somebody like like Cam Newton probably had a charge, but I was coming from a smaller school, they probably just thought the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I mean, involuntary manslaughter, it suggests accidental, but it's still a h a homicide. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Whenever you go to whenever you're in school while you're playing football, what'd you what'd you study for?

SPEAKER_04 9:30

Psychology. Okay. Psychology, social work. Um, I changed my major a couple times. Um I've I always was interested in um childhood psychology because of how I grew up um uh with all the kids that I was raising and stuff like that. Um, but they wouldn't give me a license to practice social work, nothing. So I ended up leaving school before I even graduated. To this day, I need like six credits to graduate.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

So even if you would have graduated with a degree, you couldn't practice psychology.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

No, no, or social work, nothing. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Because of the record. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 10:08

Yeah. At least then. But you know, this is 2010, we talk about things may be different now, but I feel like I'm practicing now.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

So yeah, that's what that's what kind of what I like about uh the stuff you're teaching, is uh it's a mixture of you know, discipline, uh psychology, yeah, and you know, not just training.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Yeah. I have a I have a whole curriculum that I that I came up with. I call it the life curriculum, and it's things that they don't teach in school, you know, choices and um consequences, this decision making, emotional control, you know what I mean, things like that that we go over in the actual classroom. There's a classroom in the gym.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

I like that. I I say that all the time. When you graduate when you're 18 years old, you're literally starting over from zero. Yeah. Like literally, like you're like, okay, uh, but everything, not just like on the money front on how to make money or uh how to pay your taxes or anything. It's just on the emotional side too, on the like discipline side, like on anything. But it's like zero. Yeah. So and you wonder why so many people make so many bad decisions, it's like you're prepared for nothing.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Right, right. What do they really prepare you for?

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Man, nothing. Memorizing some information.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

If you graduate and you're an adult now, and it's like go figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Good, good luck.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Yeah, that's why I like what you're doing. That uh, you know, I'm super passionate about that also, because I don't think it has to be that way. If you could start, if you start somebody, you know, even when they're not at six years old, but if you start them when they're you know 14, like you can teach them everything they need to know by the time they're 18.

SPEAKER_04 11:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

And they will have a way different life path.

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Yeah, and man, these kids are sponges, they pick it up like that.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like if when you're growing up, like you you want information so you can do the right thing, right? And you just don't have it, you're just like really lost. And that's why so many think kids when they graduate, they're like, I don't know what I want to do. I don't I don't know anything. Right. It's because they don't have they haven't any skill, uh, they haven't had anything taught to them and haven't been prepared for nothing.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

Yeah, and they haven't been exposed to things that you know, sometimes you gotta expose kids to different things, and they'll be like, Yeah, you know, I kind of like that a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

In your opinion, what's the what's the single biggest thing producing like this you know, the lost kids, the soft culture and stuff that we have today?

SPEAKER_04 12:19

Um coddling. Um and um not knowing how to regulate their emotions. Um I I'm man, I think resistance is like you know that's my slogan. Less less resist, I mean less coddling, more resistance. Okay, right. No, I've seen you say that before. Yeah, man, it could it just makes so much sense to me because if you think about it, everything in life is set up like that. If you give your muscles resistance, they get stronger. You get sick, your immune system, it gets stronger after, right? If you want got a tree and you want the stalk to grow bigger, you put put it in the wind and it'll sway and it makes resistance, makes it stronger. So I believe putting kids in difficult situations and letting them navigate them, um you know, with a little bit of guidance, you know, I think that changes kids.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Of course, yeah. Struggle people getting through hard times or struggle or resistance is always gonna make you a stronger person on the other side of the right.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

No matter what it is, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

And that that's why I think when you know people are handed everything in life, they also have the same result, right? Which they don't have any purpose, they don't really know anything, they expect they're entitled, they have anything given to them. Right, right, right. It's like they haven't ever had had this struggle or there's no accountability, there's no nothing.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Right. And we're living in a world that's kind of like pushing that narrative, like in entitlement. And, you know, um, oh, we respect all of your feelings, and and you, you know, I I just don't um my feel your feelings don't matter in the world. That's basically what I do in the um in the gym. I imitate the world, bro. And I don't let them get away with anything that they're not gonna get away with outside of the you know, the gym in the world. Like you you can't have a temper tantrum and go over there and hit somebody. You can't do that. So get your ass in the ring. We'll fix it.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

What do you when you were younger? What do you wish somebody had said to you when you were a teenager? Something you know now that you're like, man, I wish I wish somebody would have said that to me and or or at least like taught me that, or what's the biggest thing?

SPEAKER_04 14:27

I wish that somebody would have told me that what I wanted was really obtainable. It never seemed obtainable to me. I wanted to go to the NFL, of course, and and play football, but I never really believed it. I never really believed it. It seemed so distant, even though I knew I was athletic enough, I had the size, I was a freak athlete, and you know, I just let things fall into my lap. I didn't go get it. You know what I mean? I I I just used I didn't live in the weight room, I didn't do the things that a person that wants to, because I never thought it was really gonna happen, bro. And I if somebody would just pull me to the side, like, yo, you are talented enough, you're smart enough, you can do whatever the fuck you want. But if you want to do this NFL shit, then you can do it. Like nobody ever told me that.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

Yeah, if you if you stick down this path, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:15

Nobody ever told me that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

That's a good, I think that's good advice. Uh, I think that that does probably happen to a lot of teenagers, is maybe they think that's too far off for them, whether it's football or whether it's making money or business or anything, it's like, oh, I'm not that guy. I can never be that person.

SPEAKER_04 15:31

Especially, especially a little kid from the hood, you you'd see these um, you know, celebrities and athletes riding around in the nice cars and stuff, you don't ever think you're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Well, it's so far off, you're like, there's no way I'm not a I'm not a Michael Jordan, I'm not a Michael Jordan or something.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

But yeah, if you if you're if you're taught the right things and if you have a little bit of uh motivation and effort in life, yeah, like you can pretty much do anything, especially now. You can do anything.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

You can do anything, man. It's crazy. And and I never thought that until and now, but now I see it because I've switched lanes so many times, right? And so now I'm like, I'm not scared to do anything. I'm like, they like, I don't know about a boxing gym. Man, fuck that. I'm gonna open this joint. Watch this.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

So why boxing specifically?

SPEAKER_04 16:16

Because it saved my life. And and the the the lessons that I learned from it, um, they directly related to life. I attempted suicide in 2011. I was, I went from, you know, like we were talking about, I went from um, I worked my way back up to college, you know, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna make it now. I was uh I was in the 2009 NFL draft, right? Right. I actually got drafted to Canada, but I couldn't get a work permit. Um, you can't be a felon and get a work permit. So now I'm back down at the bottom. Now I'm just back home and I'm a guy that, you know, just came from college, all American, and I can't get a damn job at McDonald's. My first job was cleaning porta potties, bro. And I fucking couldn't handle the transition. And I just became so depressed. Just, you know what I mean? I'm like, what the fuck am I gonna do? I'm not cleaning fucking porta-potties for my for the rest of my life. And I couldn't handle it, bro. And and I just wanted to end it all because I was like, what the fuck is the point? Right? And I discovered boxing, and it just fucking changed something in me. It just gave me new purpose, bro. I don't know what it is, it was spiritual almost, right? It was like, I'm used to struggling, but the struggle was competition, it was football before, and it was it was school, right? But I didn't have that anymore. I didn't have an outlet or anything, and boxing gave it right back to me. And then when I found out you can fight for as long as you want, like there's a master's division. I didn't have my first fight till I was 35. You know what I mean? So I was like, holy shit, I can do this forever.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

There's a guy in my boxing gym that I hope that I'm like whenever I get older, but he's got he's close to 80 now. Yeah, and he's still flying around, he's in great shape.

SPEAKER_04 17:57

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Still flying around the country, like yeah, he's the he can't find anybody old enough to fight him, so he's fighting, is it 65 year olds? Like, yeah, like there's no there's not a lot of 75 years old.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

He gotta go to the tournament. I think he's going everywhere. Yeah, the Las Vegas tournament had some 80-year-olds fighting. I was watching, I was fighting.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Crazy, right? Dude, that's crazy. But they were getting after it though. I used to see him, I'm like, I hope I'm like that when I'm 80 years old. Yeah, for sure. Just energy, like his mentality, everything. Right. It was amazing. Right. How do you think the discipline of you know, training, just in general, uh, how do you think it helps them handle conflict like outside the gym and they're real?

SPEAKER_04 18:37

The kids? Yeah. So the discipline that I instill, right? I always tell the the um that people is discipline is love, man, with boundaries. And because when you when you discipline a child, you're actually teaching them. And I try to tell my parents, like, you're doing your child, and I know it's not on purpose. I know you love your child, but you're doing your child a disservice by not disciplining them, right? Because if you don't discipline, the world will discipline them for you. You can't have a little kid that's radical and running around putting their hands on people fighting teachers. When you get out in the world, somebody's gonna fix that for them. Whether it's the police, whether it's somebody that's, you know, time enough for his ass, somebody's gonna fix it for him. So um, I think that it gives them, like I said, I imitate the world, and I think it gives them a little bit of a wake-up call when they come in because it's almost like a boot camp effect when they come in. Like, I'm right on them. And these are kids that have behavioral issues, like diagnose behavioral issues. So I'm on, I'm on their ass, bro. Like, bro, you don't run nothing in here. Nothing. You ain't in charge of nothing. Can I know? And that's how I go at them, bro. But they respect the energy. And and don't get it, don't get it wrong though. We have a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun in there. The kids love me, but they just know when it's time to work, it's time to work, bro. You know?

SPEAKER_01 19:53

Yeah, I think that's super important. What are all the kids like? I know there's so many, you know, behavioral things that they the terms that they use nowadays. What are like all the different kids that you help?

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Uh ADHD, ODD, oppositional defiance disorder. I think that's the biggest load of shit I ever heard in my life.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

I've never heard that one.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

Yeah, so oppositional. The kid doesn't want to listen to authority figures. He he if it's any opposition of what they want to do. Which is every kid. Which is every fucking kid.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

My kid, if I let him play. Yeah, which is every kid. Yeah, that's what he's gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

Now, I don't want to take it away because there are some people who have the condition, right? Just like when I say online and everybody's all in a fucking tizzy, your child doesn't need therapy, they need discipline. Well, how can you say, of course, some kids need uh therapy, but this one right here, he just needed somebody to say, sit your ass down. That's all he needed.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Yeah, that's what I like about what you're doing so much is especially as a guy or a young man, you stick somebody in a room talking to an adult, probably not gonna do a ton. But if you put them in a program like what you're doing, and it's still therapy for the first 30 minutes because you're going over a course and then you're taking them in the ring or whatever the training you're doing with them.

SPEAKER_04 21:09

Uh and you see, I'm still molding them while we're training. While we're training. I like them to be tired and then I'm talking to them. I'm trying to penetrate their little brains. But you know, whatever. People are gonna say something about everything. I don't give a shit. Come come in the come in the gym and fucking the people that uh get mad and say, oh, don't curse at the kids and shit. These are the same kids that'll smack the hell out of them in a heartbeat. Yeah, people you come give them some therapy then.

SPEAKER_01 21:36

The discipline thing nowadays in the world is a little weird. Even when I grew up, it was like my parents whooped me belts, whatever. They didn't like they weren't abusive. It was just like I was doing bad shit. Right. And it makes you remember you're like, holy shit, like I don't I don't want to cross my parents. And then now if you do that, like you may go to jail if you get reported. I don't know. It's just it's it's really crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

I think that there's a there's a little bit, so I would Never in a million years put my hands on the kid.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

I don't have to with my kid because I'm doing what you're doing. I mean, he knows. Like I've never had to.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

I got twins. I whipped a little ass when they was younger. You know, a little pop. No, I don't have to do that now. You know, it's been I got it out the way then. So, you know, um, but the kids in the gym, my demeanor when they come in, and I talk, bro, I talk to them like they're grown men. Like, I'll just sit there and look at them. I'm like, uh, so do you want to be on my good side or my bad side? You know what I mean? So they I would never put my hands on them, but they don't know that. And I think it's a little bit of fear in there because they like, I don't think Coach Michael hit me, but I'm gonna just stay on the safe side. You get what I'm saying? But I would never, I would never in a million years. But I mean, use it.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

I think if you discipline them the right way and have them in this mindset, I don't think you have, I don't, I don't think you really ever have to. No. Like it's not, it won't be a thing.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

No.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

Walk me through the program. Like, walk me through like when when somebody comes in, a parent comes in and says, hey, my kid's doing XYZ or he has autism or he has ODD or all these behavior. Like, what happens like day one when they come in?

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Well, every every every situation is different, right? If they're if kids that's on the spectrum, um, they're just there to learn boundaries. And I and it's different levels of the spectrum, right? It's a spectrum. So I have nonverbal kids and I have kids that are very high functioning. Um like my son, I I have Asperger's, bro. But um uh it's so everything is different. If I have a kid that's aggressive physically, drop his ass off. You can't be in here, leave. And um, that's the behavior roast reset program, right? So what that is is I basically establish authority in the gym, right? You're gonna listen to what I tell you to do. You don't have a choice here, right? Once we get that outlined, now the parent needs to call me when there's an episode, when they're doing something. I pop up, I just extend the authority to the school. I'll go pick them up from school. I just went to the barber shop the other day because a kid wouldn't get in a chair, right? And so pretty soon they're like, there's nowhere this motherfucker won't go. So I'm gonna just behave because I'm on their ass, bro. So it's basically just me ex me extending my authority to different places at the house, at school, and stuff. And the behaviors change, bro. The behaviors change in in as little as the first session I've seen. I have we have a 100% uh success rate with the behavior reset. And I I have a hundred letters by now of teachers and counselors. What are you doing to them? You can't do it, so don't even ask me. You know what I mean? Schools calling. What methods are you using? You're not allowed to do them, right? So um it just depends on every every case. And then there's then there's just the regular boxing program because we're still competition boxers and we travel around the country and we fight. And, you know, my goal is to have a national champion, but um, I think I'm I'm thinking a little bit ahead because a lot of people are taking little kids and trying to make them fighters. I'm trying to take fighters and make them boxers, so it's a little bit different. These kids got a little bit of a different mentality already. I don't want to take that from them. I just want them to hone it and then use it in the boxing ring.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

And then before they start training, I think you mentioned that you have some type of classroom program for that, or some type of different settings.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Yeah, yeah. So that's for the behavior reset kids that we go pick up from school. Okay, and we'll bring them to the classroom right after schools, after helping with their homework, stuff like that. Go over lessons, have them um lessons, we'll do word of the day or you know, slogan of the day. Um, go over what are choices, what are consequences, things like that, right? And then they just, you know, go right into the boxing program and their parents come pick them up. I just want to spend as much time with them as I can until, you know, because they're kids at the end of the day. They're gonna they're gonna make mistakes. Of course. And and the parents, sometimes parents call me and they're like, Well, he won't clean his room. And I'm like, bro, that's not my problem. Get the hell off my phone, bro. He's a kid, he doesn't want to clean his room. I can't fix everything now. Come on. But um, I just try to spend more time with him. That's all.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Well, what do you help the parents in any way or try to guide the parents anyway? Because I think a lot of that is like, hey, you you can they're gonna change a lot in here, but if they still go home and they have no discipline, yeah, then they know they can push back and it's like, I'm not gonna clean my room.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

Yeah, 90% of the coaching is for the parent, I would say, because um, if you're not gonna reinforce what we're doing here, then it's not gonna work, right? And um I think a lot of parents unknowingly are helping to reinforce the behaviors that they're seeing that they don't even that they don't even like in their child.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

I think so too. Yeah, I think they're just nervous to I I mean, discipline, I think people look at it as like a bad word or something. It's a pejorative, it's a pejorative, but I don't know why it's like some like you're doing something bad to the kid, but it's not they have to have it, just like yeah, yeah. It's love with boundaries, love, yeah. It's like what's the most resistant type of kid that you had come in so far? And then and then what like tell me the story about you don't have to mention his name or her name, but how they turned around and and and what they're doing now.

SPEAKER_04 27:15

The the most the most resistant kid that I have is you know what I'll exclude him because he's non-verbal. So it's a different, it's a different, but he's still my my um you know, my crowning achievement, I'll say, right? But um there was a little boy who um he came in, he actually just had his first boxing match a little while ago. And so that was a huge moment for me because it's like, damn, you came so far. But he was he was basically uncontrollable. He has ADHD, ODD. Um he really has it. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna sit here and lie. I actually, and I'm against medicine for the most part, but I when his parents told me that they were thinking about putting him on, I was like, eh, maybe. You know what I mean? But he just resisted everything and everyone, right? And it took me a little while to break him down. He would fight in school. You couldn't say anything to him. If a little kid says something to him, he's fighting automatically. Teacher tried to touch him, he's fighting automatically. And I took he was actually my first behavior reset. Um, because I was in my garage doing this. And um, everybody knows, like, oh, I want to put him in boxing for discipline and stuff, but they didn't know the aspect that I was coming with, with the you know, psychology and stuff like that. And so um he he's in one of the videos and I had him up against the wall doing arm sits. I saw. And I was like, you know why I like you, Jackson? Because you're formidable. You know what I mean? You're a challenge, and I accept. But he was every, and I told the parents, I was like, bro, he is everything that he says he is. He doesn't care. He's not scared of anybody, he doesn't care. And I think if you give me some time, I'll teach him how to use that in a positive way because I like little aggressive kids. I love I love when kids are aggressive because we need to be aggressive every day. Aggressive, being aggressive is a useful tool. I don't think that you should just try to take it away from them, right? I'm sure you need to be aggressive sometimes when you're in business. Business the most cutthroat shit I've ever been a part of, right? And I've been a part of some shit. Yeah, John.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Aggressive in you're right, but you don't have to be aggressive in like a um way or a fighting way. Different form. But yeah, no, you I mean, you have to have motivation, drive, and like passion, and like all this stuff to like keep you going. And yeah, you don't want to have some timid, non-decision-making person. Right. Yeah, you want to be able to you want to be able to be confident and and make good decisions and have that energy and motivation to like continue.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

Right, for sure. And he has all of that, it's just in a different form of energy, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:47

He's acting out, yeah. So how old was he when he came in?

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Six.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

He's eight now, same as my kids.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Yeah, he he's eight now, and just the um, he wanted to be better though. You get what I mean? Yeah, he just didn't know how to say it. Like, I don't want to do this stuff, I just don't know how to not do this stuff. But he wanted to be better and he worked with me. You know what I mean? And he brought me letters. He used to bring me letters and stuff like Coach Mike, I had another good day. And I and I and and and and I will put him on the refrigerator and stuff like that. But to see the transformation for him to become now he's a USA certified boxer, you know what I mean? That's cool. And um, it's and he's still not on medicine. Right? So he's navigating it. He's navigating it. Sometimes he needs a minute, and and I'll let him have a minute when he needs a minute.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

But all of his areas of his life improved in this.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Every single one of them. Every single one of them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

When somebody first comes in, how do you how do you teach them how to handle failure?

SPEAKER_04 30:42

I make them fail. I put them in a situation. That's pretty much my method for all of it. If I have a kid with anger problems, first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna make you mad. Because that's when we can work. They in traditional therapy will have you in the room and they're like, next time you get mad, calm down, breathe, yeah. Breathe. Ain't nobody worried about that shit when they're mad, right? So I'm gonna make you mad and now we can start to work, right? It's intentional.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Hey everyone, real quick, I just want to let you know this podcast is 100% independent. No ads, no sponsors, just real. If you're finding value in whatever we're doing here, the biggest help that you can give us is hitting subscribe and sharing this with someone who you think needs to hear it or someone that it will provide value to. That's how we continue to grow. And if you did that, I would really appreciate it. All right, let's talk to the parents that are listening. What do you think most parents get wrong about discipline?

SPEAKER_04 31:34

I think that they believe, like we were saying, discipline is pun is a punishment. Um and and like I said before, discipline is love with boundaries. It discipline is absolutely necessary in in all spec in all aspects of life. And if you shy away from the discipline, I I get it. Some people grew up and they got ass whoopings, and they were like, oh, I'll never whoop my kids' ass, or they I'll never punish them and make them sit in the room and all that stuff. And so they and so they don't want to do that to their child. But then a lot of times people don't even realize, like, you know what, I turned out pretty okay. Maybe that shit works. You think about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

He like go back and forth.

SPEAKER_04 32:13

Maybe that shit worked, you know what I mean? And I think that um this is a statement that I get in trouble for for sometimes. I don't really care about what they the kid wants to do. And I think parents care too much about what their kid wants to do. Because life is not about what we want to do, it's about what we need to do. And and I do a lot of shit I don't want to do every day, bro. And I have to do it at a high level. I don't want to get up and go to work, but I gotta go and I gotta perform and I gotta do it at a high level. Somebody's gonna take my job.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Well, that is life.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Yeah, that's life.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

And so when you weren't so worried about what your child wants to do, um if I gave my kid what he wanted to do, he he would he would come home and he would probably watch YouTube all day, all day long and eat ice cream. All day, every day. If I just said, Oh yeah, okay, you just do whatever you want. Like they don't know, but they don't know either. He's just of course he's gonna want to do like the thing that he likes to do all day long.

SPEAKER_04 33:10

Yeah. With they come in the gym and they're like, Oh, I don't know, my kid doesn't want to box. Yeah. So why the hell do you care if he wants to box? He needs to be in here. You get what I'm saying? Why does that matter? He needs some discipline. Yeah, he needs this. Why do you care what he wants to do? Oh, he's not gonna be interested. So what? He ain't got a choice.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

How do you teach him how to respect authority? Because, like you said about the other kid, he's trying to fight the teacher, he's trying to fight his parents, he's trying to fight whoever. And so, how do you teach him how to respect other people outside, you know, just of you in the class?

SPEAKER_04 33:43

Um, so like I said, I extend the authority everywhere, but we have we have very uh serious discussions about it. And thankfully, we're in a boxing class, and a lot of kids just need to be humbled, right? Because nobody's ever showed them physically, bro. You're not allowed to put your hands on me. You're dealing with teachers and counselors and therapists that are taught to, you know, just restrain the child and stuff. No, we're in a boxing class now. You're gonna get your ass whooped. And I put them in the ring. Uh, the first one that went viral, the sheep, wolf, and shepherd video.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

That's really good.

SPEAKER_04 34:17

Yeah. That kid that was being the shepherd, Dash Jackson.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Oh, the trouble, the trouble kid.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

Yeah, he's been the wolf before. So now he wants to be the shepherd. He wants to be the one that teaches the other kids to keep their hands to themselves and stuff, right? So that's a lesson at only boxing or in a combat um one-on-one team. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you like putting your hands on people? Well, we got a gym full of kids that like to put their hands on people too. Get your ass in there.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

If a parent is listening right now and they've, you know, maybe already lost respect for their child, how do they start to get it back?

SPEAKER_04 34:53

Lost respect from their child?

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Yeah, like their child, like maybe their child's already acting out, they're doing all this stuff, and they're like, you know, I don't know what to do. I don't know where to start. Like, what's the first thing they need to do to try to get the the kid to get in line or just start getting some respect back from their kid?

SPEAKER_04 35:08

Yeah, it depends on it depends on how how far gone the situation is, but I'm kind of an extremist, right? So um switch the whole damn program up, right? As a parent, you're required to give a roof over their head, a um clothes on their back, and you gotta make sure they go to school so you don't get in trouble with the Truncy offices and stuff. Nobody said they needed Jordans, nobody said any of that. Find what they like and take it from them and make them earn it back, right? A lot of a lot of um parents come and I'll go look at their Instagram and they're like, Oh, my kid doesn't listen. I'm like, well, why the hell he got on Yeezys then? You you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 35:43

What that's exactly what I do. Yeah, it's like what I remember the day. I don't know how old he was. It was right when he started talking. And we were going in Target to get some baby food. We were getting something, clothes or something that my wife wanted me to go get. And I walked in, he's like, Dad, buy me this thing, buy me this thing. And I was like, never again. Yeah, like I'm not buying you ever anything else. I was like, You're gonna earn everything from now on out. I was like, I was like, me and Gentry don't, they don't even get Christmas presents. Yeah, uh, it it sounds hard, but like I don't give him a bunch of stuff. Like I teach him every day on how to earn that stuff, right? Whether it's through building his skills or his confidence or communication or all this stuff, but that's how he gets rewarded, if he's even gonna get rewarded. But yeah, like I'm not that after that. I was like, my kid is not gonna grow up with his dad, give me this. Like I was, I was like, what the fuck have I done? Because it was our first it was our first kid. I was just not even really thinking about it, and he was a late talker, so I'm you know, I'm buying him stuff, kind of giving him what he wants, because he can't communicate with me. And I didn't realize kind of what it was doing to his mindset. I mean, I fixed it, but yeah, I won't make that mistake. And then and you've changed the program. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 36:54

That's what the parents need to do, change the programs, you can't and and and start delaying gratification, delay it.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

And that's what we do. That's how I get him to do the third improve on the things I want him to improve on. It's like, hey, you can get, I mean, we can do this thing that you wanted to do, or we can get this, but you got to improve on the stuff that we're working on, right? Right, right. It's really why I don't have to listen, uh, discipline him that much anymore, because if something happens, instead of me yelling at him at each week, like, hey, don't do this, don't I told you not to do this? I'm like, what do we need to improve on? So he never does it again. And so that's what we start working on. And each week he gets a little bit better and a little bit better. And then I don't have to tell him not to do this one thing.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

You just build on top of each other, build on top of each other.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

What's one mistake that you see parents that like make continuously over and over and over again, no matter no matter what?

SPEAKER_04 37:41

I think we just went over it for the most part, talking about just what their parents no, what they want. Oh giving the kids what they want. And um, I think that psychologically that sets the child up to think that you know the world is gonna conform to them. And that's the complete opposite. We don't the world doesn't conform to us.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Yeah, when you grow when you graduate when you're 18 and you're like, hey, give me this. Yeah. Like laughing.

SPEAKER_04 38:08

Yeah, you're gonna assimilate or you're gonna get your ass over there, you be homeless over there on the side of the road. That's just that's just the way it goes. Um, that's the that's the biggest thing in the coddling, man. It's well, I mean, that is coddling. I'm just totally against the fucking coddling, bro. I hate it.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Hey everyone, real quick, I just want to let you know this podcast is 100% independent. No ads, no sponsors, just real. If you're finding value in whatever we're doing here, the biggest help that you can give us is hitting subscribe and sharing this with someone who you think needs to hear it or someone that it will provide value to. That's how we continue to grow. And if you did that, I would really appreciate it. For for the parents out there right now that might be going through, you know, behavioral issues, uh, but they don't have access to a program that's like yours. What do you think they can do to create at home to like create that same type of atmosphere?

SPEAKER_04 39:01

Um I you can you can put systems in place that make them earn stuff and but manufactured struggle. Okay. Right? Um give them tasks to complete and and that are hard tasks. Let them struggle through it, don't help them, and that's how they they can earn stuff. It doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be the craziest um, you know, situation. Anything that's difficult. You can tell them to walk to the grocery stores two miles away, and when you get back, you can do this. It's it's simple stuff that we used to go outside and do ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

Yeah, the world's changed a lot.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

Yeah, we used to go out and manufacture some struggle. Uh go climb, let's go climb up this hill. Somebody failed and broke their arm and shit. That was all us manufacturing struggle. We didn't need to go do that.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

There wasn't any phones like that.

SPEAKER_04 39:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

No iPad, no phones.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

But it also taught us things, though, right? I agree. Yeah. I remember I tried to chop down a tree with a goddamn knife. I tried to saw a tree with a knife, and my fingers got caught and crushed my fingers. What why would I do that? You know what I mean? Just dumb stuff.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

What uh from the school system side, what do you think is something they could do? Like one program, one lesson, or something that they could implement? Because a little bit different than parenting at the school. You probably can't be as disciplined as you you know wanna be. Yeah. Um, what do you think? What's a program or or something they could put in place that would help the traditional school system? Um or a lesson or something.

SPEAKER_04 40:34

I don't know that the school system is trying to do what they can do to help, and they gotta appease the problem is there's so many different personalities of the parents, and they just gotta have a broad, a broad stroke to appease, try to appease everybody. But in the mission, I mean, in the in in the the state of that, they're they're fucking letting the kids down, man. Um so I think the physics things like the physical fitness test should come back.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Um they even have any like PE classes anymore? I remember that because I remember having to run a mile at a certain time.

SPEAKER_04 41:08

I remember having to do like I don't think they do that anymore, do they? I I they do some form of it, but the exercises are different. Like they do the pacer test now instead of the mile.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

What is that?

SPEAKER_04 41:20

That's like there's this beep, and you run to the other side, you gotta get to the other side before the beep, and the beep gets shorter and shorter. So first you're starting off at a jog and you can get there pretty easy, and then the beep's like only five seconds in between now. So you gotta sprint and you see how many times you can go back and forth before the beep catches you. Pretty good, pretty good stuff. I was also excited that my son got cut from basketball because I didn't know they did cuts anymore. So when he got cut, I was like, oh. He didn't do good enough. Yeah, I mean, he's never played basketball before. I don't know why he tried, but you know, gotta love the spirit.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Well, it shows you that you gotta go practice if you want to play. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

He's a boxer, he's been a boxer since he was five years old. He was just like, I want to go play basketball.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

It's like, all right. I have my son in the majority are one-on-one sports, not team sports. And not that I think they're bad. I just think there's again, it comes from something that comes from that one-on-one that like not having to depend on anybody, having self-confidence. Right. Um, all the discipline, everything that comes out of it is just so much greater for real life than it is like is a team sport, playing baseball your whole life. Again, not that that's a bad thing. No, it's not a big thing. Not that they won't get good things out of it, but I think every kid needs to be at least one, you know, whatever mixed martial arts or jujitsu or something, just some like one-on-one thing that they don't have to they can't rely off anybody else. Right have to show up, they have to, you know, at least do something to where they're gonna improve every single day. Yeah, I agree. They can't rely off their team to kind of slack off and delay gratification.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

You have to work at it. You ever heard of the marshmallow experiment?

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

That experiment is is fucking well. I love that experiment, right? But delayed gratification, it actually showed in later stages of life that they were better in you know, school and um all kinds of things.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

I just did a video on it.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

Did you?

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Yeah, it was weird. It's it was it wasn't a it was not a public video yet. Oh, okay. But uh that it would the whole video was on delayed gratification. And the interesting thing about that, because of course the study shows what you think would it would show, right? So they they they come in the room like this, they put the one marshmallow on the table and they're like, hey, and they leave a little kid in there and they're like, hey, if you if you don't eat this marshmallow, I'm gonna come back and you're gonna end up getting two marshmallows. And of course, the majority of the kids ate the marshmallow, right?

SPEAKER_04 43:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

And then but the interesting thing about the study was they followed up with them like way later. Way later. And then every single one of them that didn't eat the marshmallow and they had delayed gratification, yeah, they did way better in life in all areas. It wasn't just like money, it wasn't just it was like relationships, like everything. And so that is the interesting part. And so, like, of course, a lot of those kids. Either naturally, you know, had it a little bit, or you know, maybe it was instilled in them a little bit. But if you can instill that throughout their childhood, yeah, I mean, just that study alone is like they're gonna end up doing that.

SPEAKER_04 44:12

It was crazy. Yeah, I loved it. Um, and I think um boxing is definitely something that you you know how long it takes for you to throw your jab right, right? But then once you get it and you can throw it right and you use it on somebody, there's the gratification of it, all the work, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:28

What do you think parents don't want to hear, but they actually need to hear?

SPEAKER_04 44:32

It's a it's a rough one. They get mad at me when I ask them this. I ask them, I'm like, do you like your kid? And everybody always says, Yeah, I like my kid. What do you mean? And I'm like, Do you really like them? Because do you think that you're so great that you are incapable of not liking your child? Of course you love them, you know, but you're letting them do things that make you not even want to be around them. You don't want to be around them. You want to send them to me for six hours a day. You don't like your kid. And it's because you're allowing them to do it. You're not so holy that you're incapable of not liking your kid, bro. We can all do it. They do things that get on our damn nerves. But we're the ones that's allowing them to do the things that's getting on our our nerves. So don't let your kid get so bad that you don't even fucking like them. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

That's what I'll tell them. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point. How do you measure success with the kids that you work with? Like what what how how do you measure it?

SPEAKER_04 45:31

When they are when they um readily take accountability for their actions. Because, like I said before, um, and I teach them what accountability is. I all of the kids in the gym can tell you. Super important. Yeah, what what is Coach Mike gonna do? Hold me accountable? What's that mean? Call me out on my bull crap? They all will tell you that, right? And so when they come um and they can take full accountability, I got four-year-olds that'll come, I did it, so I I deserve it, and you know, I'll do the punishment and it won't happen again. That's fucking gorgeous. Because that's all you can ask for. Because kids are gonna make mistakes, they're gonna continue to make mistakes. Own up to it, get through it, it can't last forever. And, you know, let's try not to do the shit again, right? So accountability. Isn't it crazy?

SPEAKER_01 46:19

The the opposite of what you think happens is if when you hold somebody accountable when you're really disciplined, they have more respect for you than anybody else. But in your mind, it's like, well, I don't want to be too hard on him because he's not gonna, you know, he's not gonna love me or he's not gonna respect me. But that actually commands the most respect, right? And then the people let him do whatever they want, they have no respect for him.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

Yeah, people underestimate how much freedom there is in structure and being told just um we spoke about it a little bit, but these kids are bombarded every day with so much information, man. Four, five, six-year-old, they're still trying to figure out the world. They don't even know how to tie a shoe yet, most of them. They're learning so much shit. So for them to be able to come in that gym and just turn the switch off, and I'm only just I only got to do what Coach Mike told me to do. And you know, you can see their little faces relax when they're in there. They they love the structure, man. They may not admit it, but you know what? I think they do admit it actually, because they always want to come back.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

I think it's also hard because if you're a parent, if the kids at school for seven hours, I don't know how eight hours or whatever they're at school for, they're around a bunch of other kids that like you, I mean, you don't know what they're learning. You don't know what they're around. Yeah, and then you're only with them. I mean, if the parent like works, I mean you don't have a lot of time with them. Right. And then if the parents not spending a lot of time discipline and and you know, creating respect and accountability, then that kid learns everything from school.

SPEAKER_04 47:43

Yeah, yeah. And outside influences, yeah. So it's I mean, it's just good to that's why I use the sheep, wolf, shepherd thing because they they run around trying to be shepherds every day. I hope the guy pick up his his book bag. Is that a shepherd? And stuff, yeah. You're a shepherd.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

I I've I've seen it. Go ahead, explain like explain the video. What is a sheep and a wolf and a shepherd?

SPEAKER_04 48:02

Oh, okay. Uh the wolf, sheep, and shepherd speech. It's the thing, it's the one, the video that went viral. Um, basically, uh a wolf is a bully, someone that takes advantage of people. A sheep is someone who can't defend themselves or are scared of conflict, right? So they shy away from altercations and things like that, the hard stuff. A shepherd is someone who defends himself, his family, his loved ones, and the people that can't defend themselves. And then I say, um, what are we? And they say shepherds. And I and then I say, Well, what do we do to wolves? And they all say, We beat their ass. And then they fight. Yeah. I love it. I love it. They don't say ass though. They don't say ass. They say but I say ass.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

That's my kid too. I'm like, you don't say you know the difference, right and wrong. Yeah, yeah. What do you like now that you started this program, now that you've had such good results for all these kids, what's the long-term goal? Like, what do you want to be remembered for?

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Bro, when I when I um look at one way and and I see it in the future, I always, it always brings me to the Boy Scouts of America, right? Because you could have been a Boy Scout when you were nine, and now you're 24, you fill out an application and you put affiliate Boy Scouts of America. I was a Boy Scout. Because it's automatically associated with certain things, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:21

And so I want One Way to be just like that. When you say when someone says I was a one-way kid, oh, you know about accountability, self-respect, hard work, discipline.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

It's kind of the it's kind of the military when you're older. If somebody's like, hey, I was a whatever Marine and you're like, yeah, you're not gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 49:39

And that's what I see for one way. I want these, I want these hubs, I want these gyms all around because it's it's not just a botany, it's a program.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

Well, we would be way better off as a society if they all, if everybody, young man, was like had to go through a program like this.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

Yeah, rights of passage, man. What happened to it? I don't know, man. We need to get it back. I think so too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

It's where can people find you, support you, like where can they contact you, especially if you they want to put their kid in a program like this?

SPEAKER_04 50:09

Everything is one-way boxing um or one-way underscore boxing on Instagram, Snapchat, all that stuff. Um, well, not Snapchat, uh TikTok and all of that. Um, if you if you're having behavioral issues, there's a form that you can fill out. It's called the behavior reset intake form. I interview all of the parents because my style is so different, you know. Um, I'm not everybody's cup of tea. I'm aware of that, and I need them to be aware of that. So I've never turned away a kid, a kid, but I turn away plenty of parents. So all the time, bro. Um, do you have to cuss around them? Get out. Just like that. Get out. I'm not doing it. Um, but you can fill out the intake form. I'll contact you as soon as I can. And and I'd love to have your little brats in there. And, you know, and I'll I'm gonna love on them and rough them up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Well, like I said, I think every young person should have to go through a program like this. I love what you're doing with the the psychology mixed in with the training aspect of it, right? So I think all that together, it does, it's gonna create a really disciplined, you know, accountable, motivated, yeah, driven person for sure.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

I can't wait until they get older to start seeing the results. Maybe that's the that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

You know what? Maybe it'll be like the marshmallow. Maybe it'll be like the marshmallow. We follow the one way kids, and like you have all the people, it's like we found that the majority of people that went through my program.

SPEAKER_04 51:32

That yeah, that'll be tight. Yeah, God willing. That'll be tight.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Well, man, I love it, man. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. Super motivating. Yeah, thank you. All right, thanks.